Forgotten Origin

“Mi’kmaq” Ancient Egyptian connection in Kariong, Nova Scotia and Illinois by Jack MacNab

Hypothesis by Jack Mac Nab 3/15/2013 as follows: Just a short time ago, I received an email from Harry Hubbard. (Illinois Caves) He recommend that I take a look at a few Youtube Videos, concerning ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs that were discovered near Gosford Australia. Within a few hours I was sitting back, and taking in some very interesting information being delivered by Steven Strong, concerning the Gosford/Kariong hieroglyphs.

At first, I was a bit skeptical as is to be expected. I did find it very exciting to think that maybe the ancient Egyptians, had founded colonies in Australia. Before long I had emailed Harry about how this information “just blew me out of the water.” Harry gave me Stevens email address and then things really began to unwind.

Within a few days, Steven and I were exchanging information that appeared to have a lot in common. At this point I could see that the Kariong hieroglyphs, had similar carvings with the Cleopatra hieroglyphic, that I discovered in the Bedford Basin area of Nova Scotia, between 1985-92.

Add to that, there were glyphs that matched with some of the ancient hieroglyphic style of writing by the Mi’kmaq of Nova Scotia. Their ancient writings, are better known as ideograms. Some inscribed on paper and other carved in stone.

Now things are starting to get a bit perplexed. We now have ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs discovered in three separate location! Each appear to have some sort of connection with each other. These locations would be Kariong New South Wales, Australia, Marion County Illinois, United States, and Bedford Basin Nova Scotia, Canada.

From this point on I have decided to put each discovery into a separate camp. These will be known as the Kariong Camp, Marion Camp, and the Bedford Camp.

1: The Kariong Camp, had to do with an ancient Egyptian voyage, that left its hieroglyphic mark in the area of Kariong/Gosford New South Wales, Australia. This voyage took place a bit more than 4000 years ago. You could say, earmarked with the name of Pharaoh Khufu of Egypt.

2: The Marion Camp had to do with an ancient Egyptian voyage, that left its hieroglyphic mark in Marion County, Illinois, United States. This voyage took place a bit more than 2000 years ago. You could say, earmarked with the name of King Alexander Helios of Egypt.

3: The Bedford Camp had to do with an ancient Egyptian voyage, that left its hieroglyphic mark in the area of Bedford Basin, Nova Scotia, Canada. This took place a bit more than 2000 years ago. You could say, earmarked with the name of Cleopatra VII of Egypt.

There is no doubt in my mind, that the Marion Camp and the Bedford Camp, were both connected to the King Alexander Helios voyage to North America. (20/15 B.C., to 40 A.D.) In time I came to learn that the Helios voyage, was well documented in the Mi’kmaq Legends. Where as for the Kariong Camp, it had nothing to do with Helios voyage, other than both voyages originated in ancient Egypt. The Kariong Camp voyage had taken place more than 2000 years earlier, than the Marion Camp’s voyage by Helios.

As for  me, I am only interested in gaining the historic data, concerning these “three” voyages. (As for the subject of Aliens and UFOs, out of respect, I have decided to remain neutral. It has been enough of a headache, for me to prove that the ancient Egyptians, came to Nova Scotia, more than 2000 years ago. Let alone to tackle this other dimension.) One thing that is held in common with all three discoveries, is that each contain ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs.

Then I made another discovery! It has to do with a Mi’kmaq Legends that tell about about a very bad enemy of Glooscap. Glooscap was the cultural hero of the Mi’kmaq of Nova Scotia. The name or title of the this enemy was “Winpe.” These legends talks about how Glooscaps’ family, was kidnapped by Winpe and taken capive as slaves, to Newfoundland Canada. Glooscap later, freed his family from grips of Winpi, and returned with them to Nova Scotia. (Glooscap was the cultural hero chief of the Mi’kmaq of Nova Scotia.)

I have tried to fit this legend in with Helios voyage a number of times, to no avail. There is a bit of overlapping with the Helios voyage an a much earlier Egyptian voyage to Nova Scotia.  Nor have I been able to link the Winpe in this legend with the Norsemen, Irish, or Prince Henry Sinclair, etc. Yet, I do get a connection with the Mi’kmaq name Winpe, with the ancient Australian legends concerning the “Gmypie Pyramid.”

Here is my hypothesis: (As Steven Strong mentioned in an email to me: “It is an interesting coincidence!”

To start with, the name Winpe is believed by many, not to be of the Mi’kmaq originality. As far as some Mi’kmaq are concerned, it is an outsiders name, not a Mi’kmaq name. You could say, not an indigenous name of North America.

Prior to hearing about the ancient Egyptians being in Australian, I had reached the conclusion, that this legend about “Glooscap and Winpe” is very symbolic. It has to do mostly with the constellations in the night-sky. This story was to be told to the young by the Mi’kmaq elders, parents, etc. As a tale about “good verses bad.” At this point it appeared to me, that it may have originated back across the Atlantic Ocean in ancient Egypt! It no doubt began during the time of Pharaoh Khufu. It appears to be related to the Khufu sky-ship.

This is not an unreasonable conclusion to reach. For the great chief Gooscap was known to have come into the land of the Mi’kmaq, Nova Scotia, from far across the Atlantic Ocean. He was never a Mi’kmaq. Nor was he native of North America. The Mi’kmaq stand behind that concept as fact.

It appears to me that the name Winpe, generally speaking, has the same meaning as indigenous Australian name “Gimpi.”  And I do believe that the spelling of this name Gimpi, was unintentionally corrupted by the English into “Gympie.”

The, “Legend of Gympie” is believed to be the oldest Aboriginal legend fully documented in Queensland – perhaps Australia… fully interpreted at a later period from the Ka’bi language into an English version by an aboriginal historian. The original name was “gimpi.”

HISTORY: The Town of Gympie is a regional town in the Wide Bay-Burnett region of Queensland, Australia. It is about 160 kilometers (100 mi) north of the state capital, Brisbane. Gympie is famous for its gold field. (The Bedford Basin is noted for it nearby Waverley Gold Rush Days.)

The name Gympie was derived from the Kabi. Kabi is the language of a tribe of Indigenous Australians that historically lived in the region. To these people it was spelled as “gimpi-gimpi,” meaning “stinging tree.”  This tree had large, rounded leaves that have similar properties to stinging nettles. This named is associated with the word “bad.”

Steven “hit the nail on the head” when he mentioned, “an interesting coincidence.” And here is the coincidence. Winpie in the Mi’kmaq Legends is also associated with the word “bad.” This name in the Mi’kmaq  Legends has been associated with sorcerer, witch, wizard, etc.

I have reason to believe that Winpie, is not to be viewed as any one person, at one given time. It seems to be more of a “title” than the actual  person. The name “Winpie” was no doubt corrupted by the English, and turned into sorcerer, witch, wizard, etc. These names sorcerer, witch, and wizard, were not likely names to be found in the ancient Mi’kmaq vocabulary, prior to the English and French arrival into Nova Scotia Canada.

G—–ym—–pie      meaning: Bad as in stinging tree or stinging bush.

G—–im——pi        meaning: Bad as in stinging tree or stinging bush.

W—–in——pe       meaning: Bad as in sorcerer, witch, wizard, etc.

The following is only a small part of a tale about Gimpi, taken from this website: “Legend of Gmypie.”  It mentions: “Kgippandingi the fierce warrior became more arrogant. He built the great houses made of stone reaching towards the sky.”

I have reason to believe, that it was the ancient Egyptians that built the great Gympie Pyramid  “made of stone reaching towards the sky.” This temple may very well have been constructed by the same people who carved the Kariong Hieroglyphics.

It is very possible that the Legend of Gmypie, may have been an event that only happened back in Egypt, when Pharaoh Khufu constructed the Great Pyramid of Egypt. This legend may have been transmitted, to the indigenous Australians, during the time of the construction of the Gympie Pyramid in Queensland Australia.

There is no doubt in my mind, that the “Legend of Gmypie,” is  a night-sky constellation story, past down through the ages by the Aboriginals of Australia. Also, the Mi’kmaq Legend about “Glooscap and Winpie,” is a night-sky constellation story. Is this just another coincidence? You can be the judge! As long as the constellations in the nighttime-sky came out, this story could be told anywhere on earth, at any time down through the centuries.

Lets go back now to the Kariong glyphs. What is interesting about the these carvings, is that “certain glyphs” are almost a perfect match, with those of the ancient Mi’kmaq  hieroglyphs in Nova Scotia Canada

At the Kariong site, the Egyptian name of Pharaoh Khufu and his two sons are believed to be found there carved in stone. Plus, a few other interesting names of ancient Egyptians. These names I do believe “hone” in on the time period, when a scribe carved them in stone, a bit more than 4000 years ago.

As with my discovery of the “Cleopatra Hieroglyphic” in the area of Bedford Basin Nova Scotia, we can “hone” in on a possible date as to when they were carved. It was no doubt sometime between 15 B.C. – 40 A.D. This carving by a scribe had taken place, during the voyage of king Alexander Helios, when his fleet of ships came up from the Mississippi, and made landfall in the Bedford Basin area of Nova Scotia.

Is it possible to put a date on when the Mi’kmaq first arrived in Nova Scotia? Well that is one date that I will not post, at this time. I do not believe, I can give you any honest answer as to when that took place. It does appear to have taken place, more than 4000 years ago. (The Palaeo Indians site in Debert Nova Scotia, is said to be about 10,500 years. It is claimed that the indigenous people of Canada were here about 30-40,000 years ago. Thats what they say. Thats not what I say!)

One thing that is clear to me concerning the Mi’kmaq Ideograms, is that they contain a form of both, ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs and Chinese charactors. It is being claimed now, that these ideograms are of Mi’kmaq origin, and I do believe that to be so. (I found that out, more than 20 years ago.)

Like many other people, I had concluded that the Mi’kmaq writings must have been transmitted to them by ancient Egyptian visitors. Pro. Barry Fell of Harvard University, came along claiming this style of hieroglyphic writing, was taught to the Mi’kmaq by the ancient Egyptians. Fell published his finding in his  book “America BC.” (1976)

Then architect, Paul Chiasson came along and claimed, that the Chinese built a city about 600 years ago, not to far away from Sydney Nova Scotia. He claims that it was there that  the Mi’kmaq learned how to write Chinese charactors. Chiasson published his finding in the book, “The Island of Seven Cities.” (2006)

The question now comes to mind: Where did the Mi’kmaq come from? And how did they end up in Nova Scotia, in ancient times?  At for me, I feel it is to sensitive of a subject, to try and address at this time.

One theory is by crossing over Bearing Strait, via Siberia and Alaska. I have no comment on that theory. Someone else can fight that issue out, but not me.

The reason for me bringing my hypothesis forward, has to do with this one fact: The ancient Kariong hieroglyphs that were first ever explained ot me, was by by Steven Strong via Youtube. In some cases, I have seen with my own eyes, almost identical matches with those of the Mi’kmaq hieroglyphs. It is not my aim to upset the “apple cart.” The fact is, all three sites: the Kariong camp, Marion camp, and the Bedford camp, all share one thing in common! They all stem back to early transatlantic voyages by the ancient Egyptians. So thats my hypothesis

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  • Jack Mac Nab

    Cleaopatra Hieroglphics Bedford Basin Nova Scotia

    The is a Terry J. Deveau report as follows concerning the Egyptian Hieroglyphs that I discovered in the Admirals Cove area of Bedford Basin in and about 1989. Terry mentions:

    “THE CLEOPATRA HIEROGLYPHIC. Check out this website: “Admiral Cove Park, Halifax County.” Here you will see a very clear photo of the famous Bedford “Eagle Rock.” Also, a map that shows the location of the “Cleopatra Hieroglyphic.” This was all produced by Terry Deveau of Halifax Nova Scotia. Terry’s description as to where the hieroglphics are located and how they appear to him as follows:

    “G3 – I want to come back and discuss G3 because it is so different from all the others. It is the set of 5 hieroglyphic symbols labelled (1) on the web page referenced above. It is on a large flat, almost vertical rock face, at sea level, about chest high. The greywacke is quite hard at this location, but this rock face is also coated with a veneer of quartz, making it even harder. There once was a thin sheet/vein of quartz in the bedrock, a very large block broke off, leaving the quartz sheet exposed on the rock face. This carving is superb. The lines are crisp and clean, the curves are smooth and lovely. This is the work of a true professional. He chose a place where his work could be easily seen from the water, and would persist for a very long time. I don’t know how one might date this inscription, but if someone told me that it was thousands of years old, I would have no problem believing it. It truely is remarkable, and unlike anything else I have seen in Nova Scotia.
    Except for one point of similarity with the Yarmouth Fletcher (Runic) stone: that stone also has its inscription carved onto a quartz veneer, over top of a Goldenville formation stone. It makes sense that an authentic inscription carver would want to carve his message on the very hardest stone he could find, so it would survive better, especially if it was at the edge of the ocean. I think this observation is significant, and bolsters the circumstantial evidence for the authenticity of both inscriptions. Pranksters, it would seem to me, would be happy to use less effort on softer stone. Indeed, the 5 hieroglyphics take up only a small area of the large vertical rock face, but despite all the other carvings on softer rock nearby, no one else took the effort required to carve on that quartz veneer. The hieroglyphics have that prime area all to themselves.” (As posted on NEARA: New England Antiquities Reseach Association founded in 1964)

    Note: I would like to make it perfectly clear that at time did terry J. Deveau of Halifax County Nova Scotia support or promote any of my own views of Egytians possibly landing on the shore of Nova Scotia in ancient times. Based on findings by Terry as much as I hate to so say so, the Bedford Basin Admiral’s Cove Egyptian Petroglyphs are not ancinet as I was always hoping that they would be. It appears that the oldest date suggested so far is in and about 1822. Yet, my concept about the Egyptians coming to Nova Scotia in ancient times still is an ungoing investigation. Time will tell the true story.

  • wlliam matthews

    a plaque that i have is written in glyphs.i had it translated.the sudanese woman said,that it reads”in the time of nefratiti.a traveler from a far away land brought a whitetail deer.adorned with gold the pharoh asked where did you get this gold.the traveler said in my land it lies on the ground meaningless. the pharoh said bring it to me and i will become king.” nefratiti was 3500 bc. at which time the sunken prehistoric wharf, in bedford basin , was at the surface. as well, the sea level was possibly 300 – 400 feet lower.the oak island money pit,would have been high and dry.the entrance could be out in the ocean.in line with a triangle on a stone,under the cove.

  • wlliam matthews

    please read nefretiti glyphs .look fortraveler

  • Mikmaq came from Iran (the ancient place of Zoroastarian religion). We are Parsi decendents

  • Jack Mac Nab

    Hi Heather, a very interesting comment. We do know that some African Americans in our modern age, have been able to trace their roots, back to the early days of slavery in America. Once that was accompished, it was then possble to connect their DNA to the place of ancestral oriigin in ancient Africa.

    It is my hypothsis that the ancient Egyptians visited the Penobscot in Maine. The Maliceet in New Brunswick. Plus, the Mi’kmaq in Nova Scotia.

    It just so happens that I am 1/8 Maliceet. The Maliceet (Wolastoquiyik) lived the Saint John River valley area of New Brunswick. (Plus other locations) This is the general area as to where I believe that ancient Egyptian spent some time exploring
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    Maybe some day I will get my DNA examined to see where my roots leads me into past. If what you posted were indeed fact, then maybe there is a chance, that an Egyptian connection can be discovered in my DNA. I do believe there is a very slim chance of that happening. I do have a mix of Scottish and French in my bloodline, and that could hamper a true reading of my DNA.

    As to your open minded question: “Is this more proof of the Egyptians in Canada, and there was contact between Egyptians and Mi’kmaq?”

    All I can say, is that I am not in a position to answear that question. Yet, it does help us to think ourside the box. There was a time not to long ago, it was believed that the Native American people in the Maritime region of Canada and along the eastcoast on Maine, never built anything with stones. It so turns out that this “paper dragon theory” is slowly being dismantled.

    Maybe some day more proof will surface to reveal, more about the ancient Egyptians presence to North America.

  • Heather

    All of this is extremely interesting. One other fact you might find interesting is Catherine and Edmee Lejeune, founding Mothers of Acadia were considered Mi’kmaq until their mitochondrial DNA revealed U6 with specific mutations only found in their ancestors. This is neither recognized as Native American nor French haplotype, but it is often found in Egypt. I think people are too quick to rule out they were part native american. Is this more proof of the Egyptians in Canada, and there was contact between Egyptians and Mi’kmaq?

  • jack Mac Nab

    Hi Marshmelloxo, it may be a good idea to post your question again! it is not clear to me what you are asking about the Mi’kmaq of Nova Scotia! Just Jack

  • marshmelloxo

    all i wanted to know was witch was the first mi’kmaq i nova scotia 🙁

  • jack Mac Nab

    As posted on the “Bedford Petroglyphs-NSEplore” site, as follows: Hi Melissa, I had to think about your comment for a few months before posting! Your question: “I can`t help but notice that the points around the circle in the non-star petroglyph might match the pattern of the Pleiades as seen from around here.”

    Well, after doing some research and taking into consideration other Mi’kmaq facts, I would conclude that the “Pleiades Constellation,” are where you had mentioned: “the points around the circle in the non-star petroglyph.” That is the triangle shaped petroglyph.

    The seven stars that make up the “Pleiades” is the seven “black-dots” located on that triangle stone petroglyph. It is a mystery to me, “why” the Mi’kmaq placed the Pleiades Constellation in that location. Possible this “larger circle” on the triangle was used as star-finders. This has to do with my discovery that the triangle petroglyph, represents the “Summer Triangle.” I have already posted this information on this site, at an earlier time for all to read.

    Where the seven “black-dots” (Pleiades) are located on the petroglyph triangle, this would would have been the location for the star “Vega” in the Summer Triangle. At a later time, I hope to post some additional information as to why, I believe those seven “black-dots” (punch holes) represent the Pleiades Constellation. Plus, how the “spokes” on that “small circle” located on the triangle, may have served as a star finders!

  • jack Mac Nab

    Hi Deanna, it might be better to enter “Illinois Caves.” Also there is a Facebook site that you can go to. It is called “The Illionois Caves”
    Let me know if you get better results this time. I think the reason why there is a problem is the term “Cavern.” Caves is the proper word to use. Just Jack

  • Deanna

    I just wanted to mention, being a Chicago native, i found your article very interesting. I never knew about the Illinois Caves so off i went to Google. I came to the Illinois Caverns page and oddly, no mention of heiroglyphs although they do mention briefly something about the name being related to Egypt. I wonder why the omission. http://dnr.state.il.us/lands/landmgt/parks/r4/ilc.htm

    • evstrong

      Very simple, any archaeology that doesn’t fit into the current set of lies is marginalised, ridiculed and ignored. it is stadard policy when in denial.

  • Jack MacNab

    Only an hypothesis on my part as follows: At one time, I had to review the possibility, that the ancient Egyptians may have been operating, some sort of mining operation in the area of the Bayers Lake Mystery Walls. In my mind, it is very possible that someone was mining iron-ore in that area prior to 1492!
    The reason why the name “Egyptians” keeps coming up, is the fact that I have a fair amount of evidence, that ancient Egyptian ships pulled into Bedford Basin, and carved-in-stone the hieroglyphic name of Cleopatra VII, near Admirals Cove. (The Chicken Rocks)
    It appears to me, that Cleopatra’s son Alexander Helios, was buried in one of the underground chambers on Oak Island.(Possibly sometime between (20 B.C.and 40 A.D.) I have every reason to believe, that the ancient Egyptians dug the famous Oak Island Money Pit. It has been claimed that the inscribed-stone that was discovered on the 90 foot level in the pit, (shaft) was in fact a “Porphyry Stone.” That stone could have only come from one place, as far as I know, and that is Egypt.
    COMPARE: It is believed the Great Pyramid of Giza, was built in the fourth dynasty of Pharaoh Khufu, over a period of 20 years.
    The Descending Passage is believed to be 3.1 feet high and 3.4 feet wide, which goes down at an angle of 26° through the masonry of the pyramid and then into the bedrock beneath it. After 345.2 feet the passage becomes level and continues…etc.
    Down in the Oak Island Money Pit a tunnel was discovered, somewhere between the 100 to 114 foot levels. The dimensions of this opening was 4 feet high, and 2.6 feet wide, with an upward gradient 22.5 degrees. The end of this tunnel came out at Smiths Cove. Need I say anymore to prove my point, that both the Descending Passage and the Smith Cove Tunnel, hold a lot share in common!
    Is their any evidence that the ancient Egyptians built the Mystery Walls. At this point I would have to say “no”. Yet, the construction of the 5-sided stone-foundation, does allow room for some sort of ancient burial site. Plus, the builders of the “Walls” may have put a “gate” in the those walls, as a gateway to to the Egyptian concept of an afterlife.
    After many years of researching various ancient writings, I have discovered that a few ancient Egyptians names have surfaced, in the Maritime Provinces of Canada. These names would be Pharaoh Khufu, Khufu’s eldest son Prince Kawah. Plus, Pharaoh Tutankhaten, along with a few more place-names.
    When it comes to other people excepting or rejecting my theory, that is their choice. I have ever reason to believe, it was not that big of a deal for the ancient Egyptians, to sail their boats across the Great Atlantic Ocean, and at a later date, make their way up to Nova Scotia Canada. I do not believe that Khufu, his son Kawah, or Tutankhaten, ever came to North America or South America. For what ever reasons, their names became associated with Maritime Provinces of Canada. (I do not believe that the “Bayers Lake Mystery Walls Website,” is the place for me, too prove these findings. Maybe a book some day in the future!)
    Were the Mi’kmaq of Nova Scotia, shown by the Egyptians, how to write Egyptian hieroglyphs? Where the Mi’kmaq of Nova Scotia, shown by the Chinese, how to write Chinese characters? I have no reason to believe that theory. It appears to me, that the Mi’kmaq style of writing of hieroglyphics or ideograms, is of their own originality. Their writing method is like a two sided coin! On one side, there is to be found an Egyptian hieroglyphic style of writing. On the other side, there is to be found, a Chinese character style of writing. In the end this symbolic “coin,” belongs only to the Mi’kmaq of Nova Scotia Canada. And the writings “on both sides” of this “coin” belong to that of Mi’kmaq origin. As for how, when, or why, the Mi’kmaq came up with this concept of hieroglyphs, at this point I am not interested in resolving.
    Plus, I see no need to prove my theory on this site. It is my theory, like any other theory that has been floating around, since the time Oak Island was first discovered, more than 200 years ago. Surely I have the right, as well as anyone else in Nova Scotia, to tell my story about Oak Island!
    Once again at this point, I have no reason to believe, that the ancient Egyptians constructed the Bayers Lake Mystery Walls. Maybe someday an ancient Egyptian artifact will discovered in that area. Who knows!

  • Jack MacNab

    (1) From Jack MacNab: Let me introduce myself. I was born in 1951, in Tatamagauche Nova Scotia Canada. On my father’s side of the family, I am of Scottish descent. On my mother side of the family, I am of French and Maliceete descent. I am 1/8 Maliceete.
    Wikipedia mentions: The Wolastoqiyik, or Maliseet are an Algonquian-speaking Native American/First Nations/Aboriginal people of the Wabanaki Confederacy. They are the Indigenous people of the Saint John River valley and its tributaries, crossing the borders of New Brunswick and Quebec in Canada, and Maine in the United States.
    Although generally known in English as the Maliseet or Malecite, their name for themselves, or autonym, is Wolastoqiyik. They are known in French as Malécites or Étchemins (the latter collectively referring to the Maliseet and Passamaquoddy, both Eastern Algonquian-speaking groups. (Wikipedia)
    It was in the early 1990s when I had served on the “Bedford Barrens Petroglyph Advisory Committee,” in Bedford Nova Scotia. There were only three members in this committee, with Len Goucher serving as chairman. At the time Peter Kelly was the Mayor of Bedford. This committee was formed to try and bring about protection, for of the 500 year old Mi’kmaq petroglyphs, that were discovered in the Bedford Barrens area of Nova Scotia. These stone carving were not discovered by me.
    Following a two year period of many meetings, these two Mi’kmaq petroglyphs, were placed under the “Special Places Act” Of Nova Scotia Canada. This included he 35 hectares land that was set aside as a park. I will refer to this area as the “The Mi’kmaq Wilderness Park.”

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