Mi’kmaq Legends, Kariong Hieroglyphics Australia, Nova Scotia Stone Carvings
By Jack McNab
The Kariong hieroglyphics (Gosford) were first discovered as far back as the 1920’s. They were officially brought to the attention of the public in 1975 by Alan Dash a surveyor who had been visiting the site for several years. In and about 300 hieroglyphics were carved on two natural sandstone walls located between Godsford and Woy Woy, New South Wales, Australia. They are viewed by many people as being a hoax possibly carved by college students, park ranger, etc. Yet, proclaimed by others for many years as being carved on those sandstone surfaces 1000’s of years ago. (Jack Mac Nab 5/5/2021)
I am presenting this information as an investigation on my part. I have never been to that Kariong/Gosford area to inspect those carving first hand. So, I am not in a position to make any claims as for when those hieroglyphics were first carved. I will leave that in the hands of others who are more versed in this field of study. Yet, I will make comparisons with those hieroglyphics, aboriginal legends, stone carvings, with my own discoveries in Nova Scotia Canada.
Kariong hieroglyphics: “are carved into two parallel Sandstone walls about 15 m (49 ft) long and 3 m (10 ft) high. The glyphs range between 5 cm (2 in) to 60 cm (24 in) in length and 1 cm (0.4 in) to 2.5 cm (1 in) in depth. They are primitive prototype of Old Egyptian and Middle Egyptian glyphs and tell their meaning by their illustration alone. The inscriptions on the east wall are carved deeper than those on the west, which are more eroded due to the predominant oceanic winds. The glyphs on both walls of the cleft feature around 26 paragraphs and the walls have a dark red colour, possibly caused by the usage of red ochre (iron oxide). They depict boats, chickens, dogs, owls, stick men, a dog’s bone as well as two cartouches that appear to be the names of kings, one of them Khufu (2nd king of the Fourth Dynasty, 2637-2614 BC).”
Steven Strong believes that “They [the Egyptians] came here 5000 years ago as part of a sacred sabbatical. They wanted to exchange knowledge with the Aborigines, but they learnt a lot more than they brought.’ According to Strong, the interaction continued until the 17th century when the Egyptian travelers were caught stealing sacred stones from the desert, and thus: The Aborigines tracked them all the way to Balmoral Beach in Sydney and killed them.”
Evan Strong posted a Blog on the Internet concerning some of my own views on March 15th 2013. This was information that I had provided him at that time, concerning possible ancient Egyptian voyages to distant lands around the Globe. Today I am revising that information due to newer findings and discoveries that have surfaced since that time.
Since that time, I have published two books related to the Egyptians making possible voyages to Nova Scotia Canada and Marion County Illinois USA. The titles of these books: “Queen Scotia and the Egyptian Connection to Oak Island” and “The Oak Island North Africa Connection and the Illinois Caves Discoveries.”
Shortly after moving from Nova Scotia to Austria in 2010, I had been sharing information with Harry Hubbard and Paul Schaffranke on their Facebook site named “Illinois Caves.” During one of those conversations Harry recommended that I take a look at a few YouTube Videos, concerning ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics that were discovered near Kariong (Gosford) Australia.
After watching a few of these videos, I was a bit skeptical at first. I did find it very exciting to think that maybe the ancient Egyptians, had founded colonies in Australia. Many people appear to believe that it is a fact that the Egyptians made voyages to Australia in ancient times.
Not long after my viewing those videos when I found myself exchanging information with Steven and his son Evan Strong. It became very apparent that we had a lot in common on this subject concerning ancient Egyptian voyages possibly being made to various places on Planet Earth. At that time, I was investigating the Cleopatra hieroglyphics that I discovered in the Admiral’s Cove area Bedford Basin Nova Scotia Canada in and about 1988.
The Bedford Egyptian Hieroglyphics
At this site there are to be found had Egyptian hieroglyphics carved on a very hard stone-surface in the Admiral’s Cove area of Bedford Basin. As for when these hieroglyphics were first carved is unknown at this point in time.
The Terry J. Deveau report: “THE CLEOPATRA HIEROGLYPHIC.” Check out this website: “Admiral Cove Park, Halifax County.” Here you will see a very clear photo of the famous Bedford “Eagle Rock.” Also, a map that shows the location of the “Cleopatra Hieroglyphic.”
“G3 – I want to come back and discuss G3 because it is so different from all the others. It is the set of 5 hieroglyphic symbols labeled (1) on the web page referenced above. It is on a large flat, almost vertical rock face, at sea level, about chest high. The greywacke is quite hard at this location, but this rock face is also coated with a veneer of quartz, making it even harder. There once was a thin sheet/vein of quartz in the bedrock, a very large block broke off, leaving the quartz sheet exposed on the rock face. This carving is superb. The lines are crisp and clean, the curves are smooth and lovely. This is the work of a true professional. He chose a place where his work could be easily seen from the water, and would persist for a very long time. I don’t know how one might date this inscription, but if someone told me that it was thousands of years old, I would have no problem believing it. It truly is remarkable, and unlike anything else I have seen in Nova Scotia.
Except for one point of similarity with the Yarmouth Fletcher (Runic) stone: that stone also has its inscription carved onto a quartz veneer, over top of a Goldenville formation stone. It makes sense that an authentic inscription carver would want to carve his message on the very hardest stone he could find, so it would survive better, especially if it was at the edge of the ocean. I think this observation is significant, and bolsters the circumstantial evidence for the authenticity of both inscriptions. Pranksters, it would seem to me, would be happy to use less effort on softer stone. Indeed, the 5 hieroglyphics take up only a small area of the large vertical rock face, but despite all the other carvings on softer rock nearby, no one else took the effort required to carve on that quartz veneer. The hieroglyphics have that prime area all to themselves.” (As posted on NEARA: New England Antiquities Research Association founded in 1964) https://www.neara.org/
Author: I would like to make it perfectly clear that at no time did Terry J. Deveau of Halifax County Nova Scotia support or promote any of my own views of the Egyptians possibly landing on the shore of Nova Scotia in ancient times. Bottom line: It is not possible to date stone surfaces that these hieroglyphics were carved on with any known technology. The suggested dates of 1822 or 1881 mentioned in some of my other writings are only based on conjectures and speculation. Yet, my concept about the Egyptians coming to Nova Scotia in ancient times still is an ongoing investigation.
Bedford Elephant Stone Carving
During that same year I had made another stone carving discovery located not too far from those Egyptian hieroglyphics that are located in that same Admiral’s Cove area. This was a petroglyph that was carved on a much softer stone surface. There were many other carvings to be found in this general area of Admiral’s Cove.
What I had discovered was an elephant petroglyph with a one-half carving of a swastika located a few inches above that elephant. As for when this elephant and swastika and the Egyptian hieroglyphics were carved is unknown. (Coordinates: 44°42’56.61″N 63°39’24.72″W)
At the time there was no lichen growth on any of the stone carvings mentioned. When lichen is present it is possible to give a relatively close date as to when carved. That was the process used when dating the two Mi’kmaq Petroglyphs located in the Bedford Barrens area of Bedford Nova Scotia.
Glooscap and Winpe
What I did find interesting at the Gosford site is that I did find a few hieroglyphics that matched with some of those Bedford Egyptian hieroglyphics. I had also discovered another very interesting similarity with Austrailian aboriginal oral traditions and the Nova Scotia Mi’kmaq oral traditions. The Mi’kmaw legend revealed that a very was a bad enemy of Glooscap! Glooscap was the cultural hero and spiritual leader of the Mi’kmaq of Nova Scotia. His enemy was “Winpe” who kidnapped Glooscaps’ family and had taken them to Newfoundland Canada. There they were to be to be put in prison to serve as slaves for Winpe. Glooscap later freed his family from grips of Winpe, and returned his family back to mainland Nova Scotia.
I have tried to fit this legend in with Alexander Helios plausible voyage to Nova Scotia a number of times. But to no avail. There is a bit of overlapping with the Helios voyage an a much earlier Egyptian voyage to Nova Scotia by Queen Scotia. Nor have I been able to link the Winpe in this legend with the Norsemen, Irish, and the claimed Prince Henry Sinclair voyage to Nova Scotia. Yet, I do get a connection with the Mi’kmaq name Winpe with the ancient Australian legends concerning the “Gympie Pyramid.” As Steven Strong mentioned one time: “It is an interesting coincidence!”
To start with, the name Winpe is believed by certain Mi’kmaw not to be of the Mi’kmaq originality. But instead, it is believed to be an out-siders name and not a Mi’kmaq name. I had reached the conclusion, that this legend about “Glooscap and Winpe” is very symbolic! It has to do mostly with the constellations in the night-sky. This story was to by the Mi’kmaq elders, parents, and children, as a tale about “good verses bad.” At this point it appeared to me, that it may have originated back across the Atlantic Ocean in ancient Egypt! It no doubt began during the time of Pharaoh Khufu. This Mi’kmaq legend is almost an identical ancient Egyptian tale about the Khufu sky-ship sailing down the Milky Way River.
This is not an unreasonable conclusion to reach. For the great chief Glooscap was known to have come into the land of the Mi’kmaq, Nova Scotia, from far across the Atlantic Ocean. He was never known to be a Mi’kmaq. Nor was he native of North America. The Mi’kmaq stand behind that concept as fact according to what I have heard and read.
It appears to me that the name Winpe, generally speaking, has the same meaning as indigenous Australian name “Gimpi.” And I do believe that the spelling of this name Gimpi, was unintentionally corrupted by the English into “Gympie.”
The, “Legend of Gympie” is believed to be the oldest Aboriginal legend fully documented in Queensland – perhaps Australia…fully interpreted at a later period from the Ka’bi language into an English version by an aboriginal historian. The original name was “gimpi.”
HISTORY: The Town of Gympie is a regional town in the Wide Bay-Burnett region of Queensland, Australia. It is about 160 kilometers (100 mi) north of the state capital, Brisbane. Gympie is famous for its gold field.
The name Gympie was derived from the Kabi. Kabi is the language of a tribe of Indigenous Australians that historically lived in the region. To these people it was spelled as “gimpi-gimpi,” meaning “stinging tree.” This tree had large, rounded leaves that have similar properties to stinging nettles. This named is associated with the word “bad.”
Steven Strong “hit the nail on the head” when he mentioned, “an interesting coincidence.” And here is the coincidence! Winpe in the Mi’kmaq legends is also associated with the word “bad” in connection with a sorcerer, witch, wizard, etc.
I have reason to believe that Winpe, is not to be viewed as any one person, at any one given period of time in history. That name appears to be more of a “title” than the actual person. The name “Winpe” was no doubt corrupted by the English, and turned into sorcerer, witch, wizard, etc. These names sorcerer, witch, and wizard, were not likely names to be found in the ancient Mi’kmaq vocabulary, prior to the English and French arrival into Maine and the Maritime Provinces of Nova Scotia Canada.
G—–ym—–pie meaning: Bad as in stinging tree or stinging bush.
G—–im——pi meaning: Bad as in stinging tree or stinging bush.
W—–in——pe meaning: Bad as in sorcerer, witch, wizard, etc.
The following is only a small part of a tale about Australian Gimpi, taken from this website named: “Legend of Gympie.” It mentions: “Kgippandingi the fierce warrior became more arrogant. He built the great houses made of stone reaching towards the sky.”
Certain people in Australia appear to believe that it was the ancient Egyptians constructed the Gympie Pyramid that was “made of stone reaching towards the sky.” This temple may very well have been constructed by the same people who carved the Kariong Hieroglyphics.
It is very plausible that the “Legend of Gympie” may have been an event that only happened back in Egypt, when the Great Pyramid of Egypt constructed. Or it may have been directly connected to the Biblical story of the Tower of Babel that was “made of stone reaching towards the sky.” This legend may have been transmitted, to the indigenous Australians, during the time of the construction of the Gympie Pyramid in Queensland Australia.
There is no doubt in my mind, that the “Legend of Gympie,” is a night-sky constellation story, past down through the ages by the Aboriginals of Australia. Also, the Mi’kmaq Legend about “Glooscap and Winpe,” is a night-sky constellation story. Is there a connection with these legends just mentioned? You can be the judge! As long as the constellations in the night-sky came out, this story could have be told anywhere on planet earth, by any group of people, at any time in the ancient past.
Kariong Sandstone Carvings
As claimed is that the Kariong is that the Egyptian name of Pharaoh Khufu and his two sons are believed to be found there carved at that site in stone. Plus, a few other interesting names of ancient Egyptians. These hieroglyphics indicate to many people that a scribe carved them in stone in that area, a bit more than 4000 years ago.
It is believed by Harry Hubbard and Paul Shaffranke that “Cleopatra Hieroglyphic” carved in stone in at Admirals Cove Bedford Basin Nova Scotia, in and about 2000 years ago. This event took place during the plausible voyage of King Alexander Helios, when his fleet of ships came up from the Mississippi, and made landfall on the shores of Bedford Basin Nova Scotia. As for dating these Cleopatra hieroglyphics and the Kariong hieroglyphics, it is not possible to date stone carvings via carbon dating or any other devices unless there is lichen growth.
Is it possible to put a date on when the Mi’kmaq first arrived in Nova Scotia? Well, that is one date that I will not post, at this time. I do not believe that I can give you an honest answer as to when that took place. Based on findings by the archaeologist and anthropologist this even would have taken place possibly about 10,500 years ago. The Palaeo Indians site in Debert Nova Scotia, is said to be about 10,500 year. As for my I am only quoting these claimed dates. I am not in a position to date any of these events mentioned.
Yarmouth Runic Stone: In the book named “Rock Drawings of Micmac Indian” there is a tracing of a stone carving marked as “Fig. 192 (N27)” has some very outstanding details as follows: “It is interesting to note the similarity between these Micmac ideograms and the marks cut in a stone found in Yarmouth in 1812.”
This quote is making reference to the famous Yarmouth Runic Stone! It was discovered in 1909 by Dr. Richard Fletcher and that is why it also named the “The Fletcher Stone.” This was a slab of quartzite measuring 31” x 20” x 13” (79 cm x 51 cm x 33 cm), weighs about 400 lbs. (180 kg). Fletcher discovered this inscribed stone in northwest end of Yarmouth that is known as the “Salt Pond.” According to Terry J. Deveau: “This stone also has its inscription carved onto a quartz veneer, over top of a Goldenville formation stone.”
A second inscribed stone was discovered sometime between 1895 -1898 and is now known as “The Bay View Stone.” This inscribed stone was discovered in the Bayview Park area about 1 km distance from the original site of “The Fletcher Stone.” Sad to say this stone went missing many years ago. Sketches of the characters carved on this stone were made before it disappeared and are still with us to this day.
Lake Kejimkujik Petroglyph: This Keji Stone Carving is inscribed with characters that match with characters carved on Glozel France Ceramic Carvings. Plus, the inscriptions on the “The Fletcher Stone” (Yarmouth Runic Stone) have matching characters carved on that stone with the Keji glyph and the Glozel discovery. Also “The Bay View Stone” that was discovered in the Yarmouth are between 1885 or 1898 has characters carved on its stone surface that match with Keji-Glyph and the Glozel Carvings.
Glozel Artifacts: “are a collection of over 3,000 artifacts, including clay tablets, sculptures and vases, some of which were inscribed, discovered from 1924 to 1930 in the vicinity of French hamlet of Glozel. Glozel (46°02’N 3°36’E) is part of the commune of Ferrieres-sur-Sichon Le Mayet-de-Montagne, Allier, some 17 km from Vicky in central France…Some 100 ceramic tablets bearing inscriptions are among the artifacts found at Glozel. The inscriptions are, on average, on six or seven lines, mostly on a single side, although some specimens are inscribed on both faces. The symbols on the tablets are reminiscent of the Phoenician alphabet, but they have not been conclusively deciphered. There were numerous claims of decipherment, including identification of the language of the inscriptions, etc.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glozel_artifacts
As can be appreciated that I am drawing a lot of attention to the Inscribed Ceramics that were discovered in a hole in a field in Glozel France. The connection with that discovery and the various stone carving discovered in Nova Scotia is basically speaking the similarities. It has been suggested that the Ceramic Glozel script can be traced back to the ancient Phoenician script. That is the same with the Nova Scotia stone carvings that I have mentioned so far. Meaning that the characters on these stone carving can also be traced back to ancient Proto-Phoenician Script. So, we can now avoid thinking that the people who carved those Ceramics in Glozel with those characters made a voyage to Nova Scotia.
As for the Yarmouth Fletcher Stone and the Bayview Stone may have had those characters carved on their surfaces1000’s of years ago. By who? Possibly the Phoenicians or people who were versed in the Phoenician style of writing. Possibly a Proto-Phoenician style of writing. The truth is we may never know the real fact as to who-done-it. What we do know is that there is a similarity with the Keji-script and the Proto-Phoenician alphabet. There is another stone carving that was also discovered in the Lake Kejimkujik area that was inscribed with Proto-Sinaitic script. Will explain that discovery a bit later.
Kejimkujik Lake Nova Scotia Petroglyphs
In 1881 George Creed, the postmaster at the South Rawdon, first took note of various stone carvings the Kejimkujik Lake and Medway River area of Nova Scotia. By 1888 he and his wife and two nephews had traced at least 700 of these petroglyphs. Many of these glyphs were carved by the Mi’kmaq of Nova Scotia. Many other carvings were created by none Mi’kmaq who visited these inland areas of Nova Scotia. Thankfully these tracing are now stored in the Provincial Museum in the City of Halifax Nova Scotia.
As early as 1675 Roman Catholic missionaries on the Caspe Peninsula in New France saw the Mi’kmaw children writing hieroglyphics on Birchbark. Le Clercq adapted those symbols to write prayers and liturgy, developing new symbols as necessary. Mi’kmak also used porcupine quills pressed directly into the bark in the shape of symbols…It is unclear how ancient the use of the mnemonic glyphs was. The relationship of these symbols to Miꞌkmaq Petroglyphs, which predated European encounter, is unclear…The Kejimkujik Lake petroglyphs known as komqwejwi’kasikl, or “sucker-fish writings”…include written hieroglyphics, human figures, Mi’kmaq houses and lodges, decorations including crosses, sailing vessels, and animals, etched into slate rocks. These are attributed to the Mi’kmaq, who have continuously inhabited the area since prehistoric times. The petroglyphs date from the late prehistoric period through the nineteenth century…Pierre Maillard, Roman Catholic priest, during the winter of 1737–38 created a system of hieroglyphics to transcribe Miꞌkmaq words. He used these symbols to write formulas for the principal prayers and the responses of the faithful, in the catechism, so that his followers might learn them more readily…In New England, missionaries are believed to have destroyed an unknown number of birch scrolls containing Miꞌkmaw writings. This was before the writing system was adapted to aid conversion of community members to Christianity.