Mi’kmaq Legends, Kariong Hieroglyphics Australia, Nova Scotia Stone Carvings

Mi’kmaq Legends, Kariong Hieroglyphics Australia, Nova Scotia Stone Carvings

By Jack McNab

Updated 05/05/21

The Kariong hieroglyphics (Gosford) were first discovered as far back as the 1920’s. They were officially brought to the attention of the public in 1975 by Alan Dash a surveyor who had been visiting the site for several years. In and about 300 hieroglyphics were carved on two natural sandstone walls located between Godsford and Woy Woy, New South Wales, Australia. They are viewed by many people as being a hoax possibly carved by college students, park ranger, etc. Yet, proclaimed by others for many years as being carved on those sandstone surfaces 1000’s of years ago. (Jack Mac Nab 5/5/2021)

Kariong Hieroglyphs

I am presenting this information as an investigation on my part. I have never been to that Kariong/Gosford area to inspect those carving first hand. So, I am not in a position to make any claims as for when those hieroglyphics were first carved. I will leave that in the hands of others who are more versed in this field of study. Yet, I will make comparisons with those hieroglyphics, aboriginal legends, stone carvings, with my own discoveries in Nova Scotia Canada.

Kariong hieroglyphics: “are carved into two parallel Sandstone walls about 15 m (49 ft) long and 3 m (10 ft) high. The glyphs range between 5 cm (2 in) to 60 cm (24 in) in length and 1 cm (0.4 in) to 2.5 cm (1 in) in depth. They are primitive prototype of Old Egyptian and Middle Egyptian glyphs and tell their meaning by their illustration alone. The inscriptions on the east wall are carved deeper than those on the west, which are more eroded due to the predominant oceanic winds. The glyphs on both walls of the cleft feature around 26 paragraphs and the walls have a dark red colour, possibly caused by the usage of red ochre (iron oxide). They depict boats, chickens, dogs, owls, stick men, a dog’s bone as well as two cartouches that appear to be the names of kings, one of them Khufu (2nd king of the Fourth Dynasty, 2637-2614 BC).”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosford_Glyphs

Kariong Hieroglyphs

Steven Strong believes that “They [the Egyptians] came here 5000 years ago as part of a sacred sabbatical. They wanted to exchange knowledge with the Aborigines, but they learnt a lot more than they brought.’ According to Strong, the interaction continued until the 17th century when the Egyptian travelers were caught stealing sacred stones from the desert, and thus: The Aborigines tracked them all the way to Balmoral Beach in Sydney and killed them.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosford_Glyphs

Evan Strong posted a Blog on the Internet concerning some of my own views on March 15th 2013. This was information that I had provided him at that time, concerning possible ancient Egyptian voyages to distant lands around the Globe. Today I am revising that information due to newer findings and discoveries that have surfaced since that time.

Since that time, I have published two books related to the Egyptians making possible voyages to Nova Scotia Canada and Marion County Illinois USA. The titles of these books: “Queen Scotia and the Egyptian Connection to Oak Island” and “The Oak Island North Africa Connection and the Illinois Caves Discoveries.”

Shortly after moving from Nova Scotia to Austria in 2010, I had been sharing information with Harry Hubbard and Paul Schaffranke on their Facebook site named “Illinois Caves.” During one of those conversations Harry recommended that I take a look at a few YouTube Videos, concerning ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics that were discovered near Kariong (Gosford) Australia.

After watching a few of these videos, I was a bit skeptical at first. I did find it very exciting to think that maybe the ancient Egyptians, had founded colonies in Australia. Many people appear to believe that it is a fact that the Egyptians made voyages to Australia in ancient times.

Not long after my viewing those videos when I found myself exchanging information with Steven and his son Evan Strong. It became very apparent that we had a lot in common on this subject concerning ancient Egyptian voyages possibly being made to various places on Planet Earth. At that time, I was investigating the Cleopatra hieroglyphics that I discovered in the Admiral’s Cove area Bedford Basin Nova Scotia Canada in and about 1988.

The Bedford Egyptian Hieroglyphics

 

At this site there are to be found had Egyptian hieroglyphics carved on a very hard stone-surface in the Admiral’s Cove area of Bedford Basin. As for when these hieroglyphics were first carved is unknown at this point in time.

By Jack McNab, 1988. Cleopatra Hieroglyphics

The Terry J. Deveau report: “THE CLEOPATRA HIEROGLYPHIC.” Check out this website: “Admiral Cove Park, Halifax County.” Here you will see a very clear photo of the famous Bedford “Eagle Rock.” Also, a map that shows the location of the “Cleopatra Hieroglyphic.”

“G3 – I want to come back and discuss G3 because it is so different from all the others. It is the set of 5 hieroglyphic symbols labeled (1) on the web page referenced above. It is on a large flat, almost vertical rock face, at sea level, about chest high. The greywacke is quite hard at this location, but this rock face is also coated with a veneer of quartz, making it even harder. There once was a thin sheet/vein of quartz in the bedrock, a very large block broke off, leaving the quartz sheet exposed on the rock face. This carving is superb. The lines are crisp and clean, the curves are smooth and lovely. This is the work of a true professional. He chose a place where his work could be easily seen from the water, and would persist for a very long time. I don’t know how one might date this inscription, but if someone told me that it was thousands of years old, I would have no problem believing it. It truly is remarkable, and unlike anything else I have seen in Nova Scotia.

Except for one point of similarity with the Yarmouth Fletcher (Runic) stone: that stone also has its inscription carved onto a quartz veneer, over top of a Goldenville formation stone. It makes sense that an authentic inscription carver would want to carve his message on the very hardest stone he could find, so it would survive better, especially if it was at the edge of the ocean. I think this observation is significant, and bolsters the circumstantial evidence for the authenticity of both inscriptions. Pranksters, it would seem to me, would be happy to use less effort on softer stone. Indeed, the 5 hieroglyphics take up only a small area of the large vertical rock face, but despite all the other carvings on softer rock nearby, no one else took the effort required to carve on that quartz veneer. The hieroglyphics have that prime area all to themselves.” (As posted on NEARA: New England Antiquities Research Association founded in 1964) https://www.neara.org/

Wreck Smurfy at English Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 3.0, via Wikimedia Commons https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Yarmouth_Runic_Stone_at_Yarmouth_County_Museum.jpg

Author: I would like to make it perfectly clear that at no time did Terry J. Deveau of Halifax County Nova Scotia support or promote any of my own views of the Egyptians possibly landing on the shore of Nova Scotia in ancient times. Bottom line: It is not possible to date stone surfaces that these hieroglyphics were carved on with any known technology. The suggested dates of 1822 or 1881 mentioned in some of my other writings are only based on conjectures and speculation. Yet, my concept about the Egyptians coming to Nova Scotia in ancient times still is an ongoing investigation.

Bedford Elephant Stone Carving

During that same year I had made another stone carving discovery located not too far from those Egyptian hieroglyphics that are located in that same Admiral’s Cove area. This was a petroglyph that was carved on a much softer stone surface. There were many other carvings to be found in this general area of Admiral’s Cove.

What I had discovered was an elephant petroglyph with a one-half carving of a swastika located a few inches above that elephant. As for when this elephant and swastika and the Egyptian hieroglyphics were carved is unknown. (Coordinates: 44°42’56.61″N 63°39’24.72″W)

At the time there was no lichen growth on any of the stone carvings mentioned. When lichen is present it is possible to give a relatively close date as to when carved. That was the process used when dating the two Mi’kmaq Petroglyphs located in the Bedford Barrens area of Bedford Nova Scotia.

A sample of Mi’kmaq “hieroglyphic” writing, the Ave Maria, 1866. Christian Kauder, Public domain, via Wikimedia Commons, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mikmaq_sample_(ave_Maria).jpg

Glooscap and Winpe

What I did find interesting at the Gosford site is that I did find a few hieroglyphics that matched with some of those Bedford Egyptian hieroglyphics. I had also discovered another very interesting similarity with Austrailian aboriginal oral traditions and the Nova Scotia Mi’kmaq oral traditions. The Mi’kmaw legend revealed that a very was a bad enemy of Glooscap! Glooscap was the cultural hero and spiritual leader of the Mi’kmaq of Nova Scotia. His enemy was “Winpe” who kidnapped Glooscaps’ family and had taken them to Newfoundland Canada. There they were to be to be put in prison to serve as slaves for Winpe.  Glooscap later freed his family from grips of Winpe, and returned his family back to mainland Nova Scotia.

I have tried to fit this legend in with Alexander Helios plausible voyage to Nova Scotia a number of times. But to no avail. There is a bit of overlapping with the Helios voyage an a much earlier Egyptian voyage to Nova Scotia by Queen Scotia.  Nor have I been able to link the Winpe in this legend with the Norsemen, Irish, and the claimed Prince Henry Sinclair voyage to Nova Scotia. Yet, I do get a connection with the Mi’kmaq name Winpe with the ancient Australian legends concerning the “Gympie Pyramid.” As Steven Strong mentioned one time: “It is an interesting coincidence!”

Gympie Pyramid

To start with, the name Winpe is believed by certain Mi’kmaw not to be of the Mi’kmaq originality. But instead, it is believed to be an out-siders name and not a Mi’kmaq name. I had reached the conclusion, that this legend about “Glooscap and Winpe” is very symbolic! It has to do mostly with the constellations in the night-sky. This story was to by the Mi’kmaq elders, parents, and children, as a tale about “good verses bad.” At this point it appeared to me, that it may have originated back across the Atlantic Ocean in ancient Egypt! It no doubt began during the time of Pharaoh Khufu. This Mi’kmaq legend is almost an identical ancient Egyptian tale about the Khufu sky-ship sailing down the Milky Way River.

This is not an unreasonable conclusion to reach. For the great chief Glooscap was known to have come into the land of the Mi’kmaq, Nova Scotia, from far across the Atlantic Ocean. He was never known to be a Mi’kmaq. Nor was he native of North America. The Mi’kmaq stand behind that concept as fact according to what I have heard and read.

It appears to me that the name Winpe, generally speaking, has the same meaning as indigenous Australian name “Gimpi.”  And I do believe that the spelling of this name Gimpi, was unintentionally corrupted by the English into “Gympie.”

The, “Legend of Gympie” is believed to be the oldest Aboriginal legend fully documented in Queensland – perhaps Australia…fully interpreted at a later period from the Ka’bi language into an English version by an aboriginal historian. The original name was “gimpi.”

HISTORY: The Town of Gympie is a regional town in the Wide Bay-Burnett region of Queensland, Australia. It is about 160 kilometers (100 mi) north of the state capital, Brisbane. Gympie is famous for its gold field.

The name Gympie was derived from the Kabi. Kabi is the language of a tribe of Indigenous Australians that historically lived in the region. To these people it was spelled as “gimpi-gimpi,” meaning “stinging tree.”  This tree had large, rounded leaves that have similar properties to stinging nettles. This named is associated with the word “bad.”

Steven Strong “hit the nail on the head” when he mentioned, “an interesting coincidence.” And here is the coincidence! Winpe in the Mi’kmaq legends is also associated with the word “bad” in connection with a sorcerer, witch, wizard, etc.

I have reason to believe that Winpe, is not to be viewed as any one person, at any one given period of time in history. That name appears to be more of a “title” than the actual person. The name “Winpe” was no doubt corrupted by the English, and turned into sorcerer, witch, wizard, etc. These names sorcerer, witch, and wizard, were not likely names to be found in the ancient Mi’kmaq vocabulary, prior to the English and French arrival into Maine and the Maritime Provinces of  Nova Scotia Canada.

G—–ym—–pie      meaning: Bad as in stinging tree or stinging bush.

G—–im——pi        meaning: Bad as in stinging tree or stinging bush.

W—–in——pe       meaning: Bad as in sorcerer, witch, wizard, etc.

The following is only a small part of a tale about Australian Gimpi, taken from this website named: “Legend of Gympie.”  It mentions: “Kgippandingi the fierce warrior became more arrogant. He built the great houses made of stone reaching towards the sky.”

Certain people in Australia appear to believe that it was the ancient Egyptians constructed the Gympie Pyramid that was “made of stone reaching towards the sky.” This temple may very well have been constructed by the same people who carved the Kariong Hieroglyphics.

It is very plausible that the “Legend of Gympie” may have been an event that only happened back in Egypt, when the Great Pyramid of Egypt constructed. Or it may have been directly connected to the Biblical story of the Tower of Babel that was “made of stone reaching towards the sky.”  This legend may have been transmitted, to the indigenous Australians, during the time of the construction of the Gympie Pyramid in Queensland Australia.

Gympie Pyramid

There is no doubt in my mind, that the “Legend of Gympie,” is a night-sky constellation story, past down through the ages by the Aboriginals of Australia. Also, the Mi’kmaq Legend about “Glooscap and Winpe,” is a night-sky constellation story. Is there a connection with these legends just mentioned? You can be the judge! As long as the constellations in the night-sky came out, this story could have be told anywhere on planet earth, by any group of people, at any time in the ancient past.

Kariong Sandstone Carvings

As claimed is that the Kariong is that the Egyptian name of Pharaoh Khufu and his two sons are believed to be found there carved at that site in stone. Plus, a few other interesting names of ancient Egyptians. These hieroglyphics indicate to many people that a scribe carved them in stone in that area, a bit more than 4000 years ago.

It is believed by Harry Hubbard and Paul Shaffranke that “Cleopatra Hieroglyphic” carved in stone in at Admirals Cove Bedford Basin Nova Scotia, in and about 2000 years ago. This event took place during the plausible voyage of King Alexander Helios, when his fleet of ships came up from the Mississippi, and made landfall on the shores of Bedford Basin Nova Scotia. As for dating these Cleopatra hieroglyphics and the Kariong hieroglyphics, it is not possible to date stone carvings via carbon dating or any other devices unless there is lichen growth.

Is it possible to put a date on when the Mi’kmaq first arrived in Nova Scotia? Well, that is one date that I will not post, at this time. I do not believe that I can give you an honest answer as to when that took place. Based on findings by the archaeologist and anthropologist this even would have taken place possibly about 10,500 years ago. The Palaeo Indians site in Debert Nova Scotia, is said to be about 10,500 year. As for my I am only quoting these claimed dates. I am not in a position to date any of these events mentioned.

Yarmouth Runic Stone: In the book named “Rock Drawings of Micmac Indian” there is a tracing of a stone carving marked as “Fig. 192 (N27)” has some very outstanding details as follows: “It is interesting to note the similarity between these Micmac ideograms and the marks cut in a stone found in Yarmouth in 1812.”

https://www.amazon.com/Drawings-Micmac-Indians-Marion-Robertson/dp/B003C26FGQ

This quote is making reference to the famous Yarmouth Runic Stone! It was discovered in 1909 by Dr. Richard Fletcher and that is why it also named the “The Fletcher Stone.” This was a slab of quartzite measuring 31” x 20” x 13” (79 cm x 51 cm x 33 cm), weighs about 400 lbs. (180 kg). Fletcher discovered this inscribed stone in northwest end of Yarmouth that is known as the “Salt Pond.” According to Terry J. Deveau: “This stone also has its inscription carved onto a quartz veneer, over top of a Goldenville formation stone.”

Artist’s renderings of the so-called Yarmouth Runic (or Fletcher) Stone, and the similar Bay View Stone, discovered in the 1890s and now missing. Originally published in the Yarmouth Herald newspaper and later reprinted in the Collections of the Nova Scotia Historical Society, Vol. XVII, Halifax, NS, 1913. Source Original publication: Yarmouth Herald newspaper, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, before 1913 Immediate source: Collections of the Nova Scotia Historical Society, Vol. XVII, Wm. Macnab & Son, Halifax, NS, 1913, plate between pp 50 and 51. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Artist%27s_renderings_of_the_Yarmouth_Runic_(Fletcher)_Stone_and_the_Bay_View_Stone.jpg

A second inscribed stone was discovered sometime between 1895 -1898 and is now known as “The Bay View Stone.” This inscribed stone was discovered in the Bayview Park area about 1 km distance from the original site of “The Fletcher Stone.” Sad to say this stone went missing many years ago. Sketches of the characters carved on this stone were made before it disappeared and are still with us to this day.

Lake Kejimkujik Petroglyph: This Keji Stone Carving is inscribed with characters that match with characters carved on Glozel France Ceramic Carvings. Plus, the inscriptions on the “The Fletcher Stone” (Yarmouth Runic Stone) have matching characters carved on that stone with the Keji glyph and the Glozel discovery. Also “The Bay View Stone” that was discovered in the Yarmouth are between 1885 or 1898 has characters carved on its stone surface that match with Keji-Glyph and the Glozel Carvings.

Kejimkujik

Glozel Artifacts: “are a collection of over 3,000 artifacts, including clay tablets, sculptures and vases, some of which were inscribed, discovered from 1924 to 1930 in the vicinity of French hamlet of Glozel. Glozel (46°02’N 3°36’E) is part of the commune of Ferrieres-sur-Sichon Le Mayet-de-Montagne, Allier, some 17 km from Vicky in central France…Some 100 ceramic tablets bearing inscriptions are among the artifacts found at Glozel. The inscriptions are, on average, on six or seven lines, mostly on a single side, although some specimens are inscribed on both faces. The symbols on the tablets are reminiscent of the Phoenician alphabet, but they have not been conclusively deciphered. There were numerous claims of decipherment, including identification of the language of the inscriptions, etc.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glozel_artifacts

Salomon Reinach, Public domain, via Wikimedia Commons https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Glozel-Reinach-03.jpg

As can be appreciated that I am drawing a lot of attention to the Inscribed Ceramics that were discovered in a hole in a field in Glozel France. The connection with that discovery and the various stone carving discovered in Nova Scotia is basically speaking the similarities. It has been suggested that the Ceramic Glozel script can be traced back to the ancient Phoenician script. That is the same with the Nova Scotia stone carvings that I have mentioned so far. Meaning that the characters on these stone carving can also be traced back to ancient Proto-Phoenician Script. So, we can now avoid thinking that the people who carved those Ceramics in Glozel with those characters made a voyage to Nova Scotia.

As for the Yarmouth Fletcher Stone and the Bayview Stone may have had those characters carved on their surfaces1000’s of years ago. By who? Possibly the Phoenicians or people who were versed in the Phoenician style of writing. Possibly a Proto-Phoenician style of writing. The truth is we may never know the real fact as to who-done-it. What we do know is that there is a similarity with the Keji-script and the Proto-Phoenician alphabet. There is another stone carving that was also discovered in the Lake Kejimkujik area that was inscribed with Proto-Sinaitic script. Will explain that discovery a bit later.

Kejimkujik Lake Nova Scotia Petroglyphs

In 1881 George Creed, the postmaster at the South Rawdon, first took note of various stone carvings the Kejimkujik Lake and Medway River area of Nova Scotia. By 1888 he and his wife and two nephews had traced at least 700 of these petroglyphs. Many of these glyphs were carved by the Mi’kmaq of Nova Scotia. Many other carvings were created by none Mi’kmaq who visited these inland areas of Nova Scotia. Thankfully these tracing are now stored in the Provincial Museum in the City of Halifax Nova Scotia.

As early as 1675 Roman Catholic missionaries on the Caspe Peninsula in New France saw the Mi’kmaw children writing hieroglyphics on Birchbark. Le Clercq adapted those symbols to write prayers and liturgy, developing new symbols as necessary. Mi’kmak also used porcupine quills pressed directly into the bark in the shape of symbols…It is unclear how ancient the use of the mnemonic glyphs was. The relationship of these symbols to Miꞌkmaq Petroglyphs, which predated European encounter, is unclear…The Kejimkujik Lake petroglyphs known as komqwejwi’kasikl, or “sucker-fish writings”…include written hieroglyphics, human figures, Mi’kmaq houses and lodges, decorations including crosses, sailing vessels, and animals, etched into slate rocks. These are attributed to the Mi’kmaq, who have continuously inhabited the area since prehistoric times. The petroglyphs date from the late prehistoric period through the nineteenth century…Pierre Maillard, Roman Catholic priest, during the winter of 1737–38 created a system of hieroglyphics to transcribe Miꞌkmaq words. He used these symbols to write formulas for the principal prayers and the responses of the faithful, in the catechism, so that his followers might learn them more readily…In New England, missionaries are believed to have destroyed an unknown number of birch scrolls containing Miꞌkmaw writings. This was before the writing system was adapted to aid conversion of community members to Christianity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi%EA%9E%8Ckmaw_hieroglyphic_writing

Jack McNab

19 Comments

  1. Interesting! I have Mi’kmaq ancestry and my sister did her DNA. We ran it through some programs to look at the ancient DNA and it did say there was DNA from those that crossed the Beringia. That being said, I don’t doubt that other people hit the east coast of North America and blended with those that came to North America through the west side.

  2. HI JACK my name is bill tiffee (billtiffee@yahoo.com) i have published in a special edition of the Epigrapher’s society(vol 30, 2013) a 4,000 year old Egyptian map that leads to the americas, including a map of nova scotia and labrador; would love to send you info

  3. Let me introduce myself that jack mcnab would be shocked the work i was doing back in 1986 and 1988. I am one of the world authorities on egyptian place names. Yes i knew about the khufu anf tut thing the your region of nova scotia since 1994!
    MY BOOKS ARE NOW AVAILABLE!
    1994 The Before Dark Essays, the red paint people number one, the vineland havens number two. I am about to release essay 3 first started never finished in 1994 addresses the issues you mention of migration of culture. This book only 7 to pages were written in 1994 the rest of work is present. The essays are about egyptian gold mine colony in maine and nova scotia long before columbus and explains why with fur traders.
    I am part cherokee, so i have studied parts of micmac and cherokee and the Passamaquoddy has a egyptian name lurking underneath it. My third book address this in The Before Dark Essays called The Volgeries. These are on amazon kindle as the Before Dark Essays by D. CLARKE or Richard Clarke the coptic press black swamp press 1994. Please purchase these ebooks they teach you how to read and explore place names in egyptian. No one else teaches this! I am Dean Clarke that author.

  4. I’m very intrigued about the fact that Ancient Egyptians came to Nova Scotia and the connection to the Mi’kmaq as well as your ideas about
    Oak Island..I hope I can come across more information about it especially the Oak
    Island connection and the possibility of it being a burial place of Alexander Helios

  5. I was very excited to across across your article today. I’m a Nova Scotian ( currently living out of the province). Recently the primary origins of Oak Island ( the tunnels ect) has seen me toying with the notion that perhaps the simplest explanation is the best,,,,It was built by the Mi’kmaq. That of course gave rise to the question of how they came by the knowledge required to build it. Your hypothesis of the Egyptians fit’s that very well. Although I don’t even pretend to be as scholarly as you on the subject,I do depart from your theory that Oak Island perse was built by the Egyptians. I firmly believe that it was built by the Mi”kmaq . Hopefully one of our theories will be proven.The finding of bones in H8( at a depth ), as carbon dating to late 1600’s to early 1700’s, could cause us both some difficulty of theory,if in fact H8 is the “money pit” That aside I look forward to any further writings from you.

  6. Cleaopatra Hieroglphics Bedford Basin Nova Scotia

    The is a Terry J. Deveau report as follows concerning the Egyptian Hieroglyphs that I discovered in the Admirals Cove area of Bedford Basin in and about 1989. Terry mentions:

    “THE CLEOPATRA HIEROGLYPHIC. Check out this website: “Admiral Cove Park, Halifax County.” Here you will see a very clear photo of the famous Bedford “Eagle Rock.” Also, a map that shows the location of the “Cleopatra Hieroglyphic.” This was all produced by Terry Deveau of Halifax Nova Scotia. Terry’s description as to where the hieroglphics are located and how they appear to him as follows:

    “G3 – I want to come back and discuss G3 because it is so different from all the others. It is the set of 5 hieroglyphic symbols labelled (1) on the web page referenced above. It is on a large flat, almost vertical rock face, at sea level, about chest high. The greywacke is quite hard at this location, but this rock face is also coated with a veneer of quartz, making it even harder. There once was a thin sheet/vein of quartz in the bedrock, a very large block broke off, leaving the quartz sheet exposed on the rock face. This carving is superb. The lines are crisp and clean, the curves are smooth and lovely. This is the work of a true professional. He chose a place where his work could be easily seen from the water, and would persist for a very long time. I don’t know how one might date this inscription, but if someone told me that it was thousands of years old, I would have no problem believing it. It truely is remarkable, and unlike anything else I have seen in Nova Scotia.
    Except for one point of similarity with the Yarmouth Fletcher (Runic) stone: that stone also has its inscription carved onto a quartz veneer, over top of a Goldenville formation stone. It makes sense that an authentic inscription carver would want to carve his message on the very hardest stone he could find, so it would survive better, especially if it was at the edge of the ocean. I think this observation is significant, and bolsters the circumstantial evidence for the authenticity of both inscriptions. Pranksters, it would seem to me, would be happy to use less effort on softer stone. Indeed, the 5 hieroglyphics take up only a small area of the large vertical rock face, but despite all the other carvings on softer rock nearby, no one else took the effort required to carve on that quartz veneer. The hieroglyphics have that prime area all to themselves.” (As posted on NEARA: New England Antiquities Reseach Association founded in 1964)

    Note: I would like to make it perfectly clear that at time did terry J. Deveau of Halifax County Nova Scotia support or promote any of my own views of Egytians possibly landing on the shore of Nova Scotia in ancient times. Based on findings by Terry as much as I hate to so say so, the Bedford Basin Admiral’s Cove Egyptian Petroglyphs are not ancinet as I was always hoping that they would be. It appears that the oldest date suggested so far is in and about 1822. Yet, my concept about the Egyptians coming to Nova Scotia in ancient times still is an ungoing investigation. Time will tell the true story.

  7. a plaque that i have is written in glyphs.i had it translated.the sudanese woman said,that it reads”in the time of nefratiti.a traveler from a far away land brought a whitetail deer.adorned with gold the pharoh asked where did you get this gold.the traveler said in my land it lies on the ground meaningless. the pharoh said bring it to me and i will become king.” nefratiti was 3500 bc. at which time the sunken prehistoric wharf, in bedford basin , was at the surface. as well, the sea level was possibly 300 – 400 feet lower.the oak island money pit,would have been high and dry.the entrance could be out in the ocean.in line with a triangle on a stone,under the cove.

  8. Hi Heather, a very interesting comment. We do know that some African Americans in our modern age, have been able to trace their roots, back to the early days of slavery in America. Once that was accompished, it was then possble to connect their DNA to the place of ancestral oriigin in ancient Africa.

    It is my hypothsis that the ancient Egyptians visited the Penobscot in Maine. The Maliceet in New Brunswick. Plus, the Mi’kmaq in Nova Scotia.

    It just so happens that I am 1/8 Maliceet. The Maliceet (Wolastoquiyik) lived the Saint John River valley area of New Brunswick. (Plus other locations) This is the general area as to where I believe that ancient Egyptian spent some time exploring
    .
    Maybe some day I will get my DNA examined to see where my roots leads me into past. If what you posted were indeed fact, then maybe there is a chance, that an Egyptian connection can be discovered in my DNA. I do believe there is a very slim chance of that happening. I do have a mix of Scottish and French in my bloodline, and that could hamper a true reading of my DNA.

    As to your open minded question: “Is this more proof of the Egyptians in Canada, and there was contact between Egyptians and Mi’kmaq?”

    All I can say, is that I am not in a position to answear that question. Yet, it does help us to think ourside the box. There was a time not to long ago, it was believed that the Native American people in the Maritime region of Canada and along the eastcoast on Maine, never built anything with stones. It so turns out that this “paper dragon theory” is slowly being dismantled.

    Maybe some day more proof will surface to reveal, more about the ancient Egyptians presence to North America.

  9. All of this is extremely interesting. One other fact you might find interesting is Catherine and Edmee Lejeune, founding Mothers of Acadia were considered Mi’kmaq until their mitochondrial DNA revealed U6 with specific mutations only found in their ancestors. This is neither recognized as Native American nor French haplotype, but it is often found in Egypt. I think people are too quick to rule out they were part native american. Is this more proof of the Egyptians in Canada, and there was contact between Egyptians and Mi’kmaq?

  10. Hi Marshmelloxo, it may be a good idea to post your question again! it is not clear to me what you are asking about the Mi’kmaq of Nova Scotia! Just Jack

  11. As posted on the “Bedford Petroglyphs-NSEplore” site, as follows: Hi Melissa, I had to think about your comment for a few months before posting! Your question: “I can`t help but notice that the points around the circle in the non-star petroglyph might match the pattern of the Pleiades as seen from around here.”

    Well, after doing some research and taking into consideration other Mi’kmaq facts, I would conclude that the “Pleiades Constellation,” are where you had mentioned: “the points around the circle in the non-star petroglyph.” That is the triangle shaped petroglyph.

    The seven stars that make up the “Pleiades” is the seven “black-dots” located on that triangle stone petroglyph. It is a mystery to me, “why” the Mi’kmaq placed the Pleiades Constellation in that location. Possible this “larger circle” on the triangle was used as star-finders. This has to do with my discovery that the triangle petroglyph, represents the “Summer Triangle.” I have already posted this information on this site, at an earlier time for all to read.

    Where the seven “black-dots” (Pleiades) are located on the petroglyph triangle, this would would have been the location for the star “Vega” in the Summer Triangle. At a later time, I hope to post some additional information as to why, I believe those seven “black-dots” (punch holes) represent the Pleiades Constellation. Plus, how the “spokes” on that “small circle” located on the triangle, may have served as a star finders!

  12. Hi Deanna, it might be better to enter “Illinois Caves.” Also there is a Facebook site that you can go to. It is called “The Illionois Caves”
    Let me know if you get better results this time. I think the reason why there is a problem is the term “Cavern.” Caves is the proper word to use. Just Jack

  13. I just wanted to mention, being a Chicago native, i found your article very interesting. I never knew about the Illinois Caves so off i went to Google. I came to the Illinois Caverns page and oddly, no mention of heiroglyphs although they do mention briefly something about the name being related to Egypt. I wonder why the omission. http://dnr.state.il.us/lands/landmgt/parks/r4/ilc.htm

    • Very simple, any archaeology that doesn’t fit into the current set of lies is marginalised, ridiculed and ignored. it is stadard policy when in denial.

  14. Only an hypothesis on my part as follows: At one time, I had to review the possibility, that the ancient Egyptians may have been operating, some sort of mining operation in the area of the Bayers Lake Mystery Walls. In my mind, it is very possible that someone was mining iron-ore in that area prior to 1492!
    The reason why the name “Egyptians” keeps coming up, is the fact that I have a fair amount of evidence, that ancient Egyptian ships pulled into Bedford Basin, and carved-in-stone the hieroglyphic name of Cleopatra VII, near Admirals Cove. (The Chicken Rocks)
    It appears to me, that Cleopatra’s son Alexander Helios, was buried in one of the underground chambers on Oak Island.(Possibly sometime between (20 B.C.and 40 A.D.) I have every reason to believe, that the ancient Egyptians dug the famous Oak Island Money Pit. It has been claimed that the inscribed-stone that was discovered on the 90 foot level in the pit, (shaft) was in fact a “Porphyry Stone.” That stone could have only come from one place, as far as I know, and that is Egypt.
    COMPARE: It is believed the Great Pyramid of Giza, was built in the fourth dynasty of Pharaoh Khufu, over a period of 20 years.
    The Descending Passage is believed to be 3.1 feet high and 3.4 feet wide, which goes down at an angle of 26° through the masonry of the pyramid and then into the bedrock beneath it. After 345.2 feet the passage becomes level and continues…etc.
    Down in the Oak Island Money Pit a tunnel was discovered, somewhere between the 100 to 114 foot levels. The dimensions of this opening was 4 feet high, and 2.6 feet wide, with an upward gradient 22.5 degrees. The end of this tunnel came out at Smiths Cove. Need I say anymore to prove my point, that both the Descending Passage and the Smith Cove Tunnel, hold a lot share in common!
    Is their any evidence that the ancient Egyptians built the Mystery Walls. At this point I would have to say “no”. Yet, the construction of the 5-sided stone-foundation, does allow room for some sort of ancient burial site. Plus, the builders of the “Walls” may have put a “gate” in the those walls, as a gateway to to the Egyptian concept of an afterlife.
    After many years of researching various ancient writings, I have discovered that a few ancient Egyptians names have surfaced, in the Maritime Provinces of Canada. These names would be Pharaoh Khufu, Khufu’s eldest son Prince Kawah. Plus, Pharaoh Tutankhaten, along with a few more place-names.
    When it comes to other people excepting or rejecting my theory, that is their choice. I have ever reason to believe, it was not that big of a deal for the ancient Egyptians, to sail their boats across the Great Atlantic Ocean, and at a later date, make their way up to Nova Scotia Canada. I do not believe that Khufu, his son Kawah, or Tutankhaten, ever came to North America or South America. For what ever reasons, their names became associated with Maritime Provinces of Canada. (I do not believe that the “Bayers Lake Mystery Walls Website,” is the place for me, too prove these findings. Maybe a book some day in the future!)
    Were the Mi’kmaq of Nova Scotia, shown by the Egyptians, how to write Egyptian hieroglyphs? Where the Mi’kmaq of Nova Scotia, shown by the Chinese, how to write Chinese characters? I have no reason to believe that theory. It appears to me, that the Mi’kmaq style of writing of hieroglyphics or ideograms, is of their own originality. Their writing method is like a two sided coin! On one side, there is to be found an Egyptian hieroglyphic style of writing. On the other side, there is to be found, a Chinese character style of writing. In the end this symbolic “coin,” belongs only to the Mi’kmaq of Nova Scotia Canada. And the writings “on both sides” of this “coin” belong to that of Mi’kmaq origin. As for how, when, or why, the Mi’kmaq came up with this concept of hieroglyphs, at this point I am not interested in resolving.
    Plus, I see no need to prove my theory on this site. It is my theory, like any other theory that has been floating around, since the time Oak Island was first discovered, more than 200 years ago. Surely I have the right, as well as anyone else in Nova Scotia, to tell my story about Oak Island!
    Once again at this point, I have no reason to believe, that the ancient Egyptians constructed the Bayers Lake Mystery Walls. Maybe someday an ancient Egyptian artifact will discovered in that area. Who knows!

  15. (1) From Jack MacNab: Let me introduce myself. I was born in 1951, in Tatamagauche Nova Scotia Canada. On my father’s side of the family, I am of Scottish descent. On my mother side of the family, I am of French and Maliceete descent. I am 1/8 Maliceete.
    Wikipedia mentions: The Wolastoqiyik, or Maliseet are an Algonquian-speaking Native American/First Nations/Aboriginal people of the Wabanaki Confederacy. They are the Indigenous people of the Saint John River valley and its tributaries, crossing the borders of New Brunswick and Quebec in Canada, and Maine in the United States.
    Although generally known in English as the Maliseet or Malecite, their name for themselves, or autonym, is Wolastoqiyik. They are known in French as Malécites or Étchemins (the latter collectively referring to the Maliseet and Passamaquoddy, both Eastern Algonquian-speaking groups. (Wikipedia)
    It was in the early 1990s when I had served on the “Bedford Barrens Petroglyph Advisory Committee,” in Bedford Nova Scotia. There were only three members in this committee, with Len Goucher serving as chairman. At the time Peter Kelly was the Mayor of Bedford. This committee was formed to try and bring about protection, for of the 500 year old Mi’kmaq petroglyphs, that were discovered in the Bedford Barrens area of Nova Scotia. These stone carving were not discovered by me.
    Following a two year period of many meetings, these two Mi’kmaq petroglyphs, were placed under the “Special Places Act” Of Nova Scotia Canada. This included he 35 hectares land that was set aside as a park. I will refer to this area as the “The Mi’kmaq Wilderness Park.”

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