The “Star People” (Have Never Left)

                                            The “Star People”(1) (Have Never Left)

This is not our term, granted we have often heard that description given by many Original Elders and Culture Keepers, but we are not directly referencing them, this description belongs to someone that resides in another continent. Our response came about after reading an overview of some of the research conducted by Cherokee/Choctaw Professor Emeritus Dr. Ardy Sixkiller Clarke (Montana State University) on Star People. Ten minutes after reading this brief report on Cherokee Lore and Culture, with particular attention paid to her repeated references to “Moon People,”(2) the general setting and sequence of our extension on Clarke’s observations was complete. It really was as simple as 1,2,3, or in this case, Clarke, Skulls, Original Prophecy of the Changeover.

According to Dr. Ardy …

Before beginning with Clarke’s fascinating opening gambit accompanied by heavy lashings of synchronicity, it needs to be appreciated that amongst Indigenous Keepers of Old Way Lore it is universally agreed that beings of a decidedly different physique and facial appearance did and still do live in subterranean worlds.

Nor is this conviction of inner world habitation restricted to one civilisation, time or place. “Socrates spoke of huge hollows within the Earth that were inhabited and vast caverns where rivers flowed.”(3) At some time after, but a considerable time back if relying by today’s calendars, “these people were also mentioned in a 1797 book by Benjamin Smith Barton who explains that they were called “moon-eyed” because they saw poorly during the day.”(4)  It is not only the size of the eyes that is a recurrent visual theme, so too is the acknowledgement of advanced settlements of considerable dimensions being created by these mysterious beings. It was also noted that these massive-eyed beings “had white skin and that they created the area’s pre-Colombian ruins. Barton cited his source as a conversation with Colonel Leonard Maybury.”(5) Not that far away the same comment was made by the current Indigenous tribes who are the guardians of the Pyramids of the Sun and Moon, and openly concede that their ancestors came upon these monoliths fully constructed.

And it is from this agreed base Clarke extends that underworld presence and residence.

                “The Cherokee Indians tell that when they first came to the southeastern United States, they found many well-tended gardens but not the people who cared for them. Eventually, they discovered a group of people who lived underground and came out only at night to tend the gardens. They harvested the food and took it underground to their cities. These people were small, had blue skin and large black eyes. The suns rays were too harsh for them so they built their cities underground and only came out at night using the light of the moon. The Cherokee called them the “Moon People.”(6)

                Surely if people like these were permanently stationed on Planet Earth, some bones will be found, somewhere? If they were, whether “blue”(7) or “white”(8) skinned could never be confirmed, and being small is not just an Alien trait, but something shared amongst all human races. However, when it comes to “large black eyes,”(9) being too oversized for daylight operation as “the sun rays were too harsh,”(10) that is something that would stand out at first glance with a hypothetical intact skull in hand. Until now, if correct, all hominids, sapiens included, had eyes suited for the daytime with the stronger light, all function far less effectively once the sun sets. There is no exception to Nature’s Plan here, human’s eyes work the same as all animals, those that function more effectively in the night are much larger than the ones that are suited for stronger sunlight. There is no deviation or mutation to this visual capacity and size, there are no ‘owl-people’ among us, past or present. Or so we are told, but there is more than one account of “moon people”(11) Clarke has recorded.

Whether by Design or Coincidence, Three Seems Fitting

This summary of Clarke’s research provides two other examples of Indigenous history that address the Star People, and in both cases, supply some useful background information. I sincerely doubt that the tally of three interviews, which is a sacred number in all Indigenous Cultures, was intentional, but irrespective of why, it is appropriate when dealing with such sensitive and inspirational matters.

                The next Elder Clarke interviewed was “Uncle Beau”(12) who was 84 years old. He was adamant that “the old ones tell stories about people from the stars who lived underground near Tanana. There are many stories the old ones told about the Star People who live among them and went underground near Tanana. The Inupiat believe they came to Earth on a spaceship.”(13) What raises questions in relation to their neighbours settled beside this ancient underground settlement, is that Tanana, Alaska “is right next to Mount Hayes, Alaska. For those who don’t know, the US Government in conjunction with the CIA and Stanford Research Institute initiated a program called STARGATE.”(14)

The third interviewee is three years older than Uncle Beau, Mary Winston is “regarded as one of the only traditional artists still living.”(15) Nor are these three bearers of unfamiliar tales as “there are so many stories from Indigenous Elders about the Star People, it’s truly amazing and overwhelming.”(16) Wilson told Clarke that “we have a story that our ancestors were brought to this land in great metal machines by the Star People. The ancestors lived on a cold planet, much like the Arctic Region. So they brought us here to colonise this planet. At that time ice covered the Earth. It was not like the Earth of today. We knew of the Star People from our grandparents. The stories were passed on from thousands of years … My grandfather talked to them when he was alive. He said they looked like us but they had bigger eyes because on the home planet everyone lived underground. He said when we were first brought here we had big eyes too, but the sun and snow made our eyes small slits.”(17)

All three Elders share a common belief, that there were and still are underground cities housing Aliens with big eyes. They are either naively misled, deliberately lying or telling the truth. But from Clarke’s perspective it is not just three radical Keepers of Old Way Lore who insist there has been a long-term permanent settlement beneath. Clarke goes on in her report to cite many other “interviews with Indigenous Elders about living underground on our planet.”(18)

Not only did they farm beside and bring the Cherokee and others to this land, they gave so much more in the spirit of true sharing and compassion. Richard Wagamese, “one of Canada’s foremost authors and storytellers from the Wabaseemoong First Nation in Northwestern Ontario”(19) reminded any willing to listen that “my people tell of Star People who came to us many generations ago. The Star People brought spiritual teachings and stories and maps of the cosmos and they offered these freely. They were kind, loving and set a great example. When they left us, my people say there was a loneliness like no other.”(20)

Where’s the Proof?

As stated before it’s all right to sit around the camp-fire late at night reminiscing about Aliens and visitors from distant constellations, it is so easy to make claims like these. But surely if these beings are actually residing inside our planet, there has to be some archaeology to analyse? There had to be bones, teeth or a skull laying on the surface or just below, somewhere on this planet.

                Better still, what about the entire package, a whole skeleton with face undamaged found in situ at an Original burial site? And what would have to lie within to qualify as a potential moon being? A being of thinner build and of course, massive eyes, the biggest ever seen on any two-legged animal, and best of all, undeniable genetic and physiological proof in the bones and face that has to be the result of Alien ancestry. If we, or anyone else on this planet, had such a skull and bones in hand, then Dr. Ardy and the Elders she interviewed are right. It is one or the other. As for who is now wrong if such empirical evidence was found, that must include every accepted pre-historical text, commentary, syllabus and expert who denies the Alien component in our evolution and history.

                But of course, it would seem to most that such a wish is both fanciful and ludicrous. They are so wrong as it isn’t a fantasy or wish list, but a statement of fact and process we are involved in. We have seen such beings on site and have been involved in the detailed reconstruction of a species that did not come from Earth, that is neither sapien nor hominid, and is certainly not any form of ape or monkey. And best of all, it has massive eyes, four times over.

The “Moon People”(21) in Australia

We are aware of four skulls spread across three states separated by over 2,000 kilometres, that tick no sapien or hominid box. They are not mutations, as the skulls come from four different tribal estates, and more importantly, at the burial site I examined the Alien being was fully intact buried with great respect. His knees and arms were wedged up against her chest and the body was facing east. The two front teeth were extracted, and the removal was clean as nothing remained. This type of ceremony was still taking place on this country until Cook and the British invaded. So, with this combination of numbers and ritual, we can summarily dismiss any notion of a lesser mutation or genetic cul-de-sac.

                Undeniably the size of the eye sockets of the reconstructed skull made from eight pieces from another site, more than fifty photographs of the complete buried skeleton and skull plus the other two skulls found elsewhere, is massive by comparison. We feel the reconstructed skull is male, as it is two centimetres larger than his colleague at the burial site. This non-hominid has eyes 46% larger than those of any sapien. But there is more than just big eyes to this deviation from the human norm, much more.

                Just above the eyes is something we all share, an eyebrow ridge which has a slight depression between the eyes. However, that is not the case here, in the same place the opposite is occurring, in that between the eyes is a protruding crest. Also positioned between the eyes is of course the nose, it is a composite construction being partially bone, but primarily ligament. For sapien skulls that non-bone segment leaves a circular shaped hole, when it comes to the Alien being the residual shape is much larger and more triangular. Remaining at this unusual nasal display, this non-hominid has a nose that begins over a centimetre higher than ours.

                These facial features are unique, and it only gets even more non-terrestrial when taking in the entire cranial ‘landscape.’ The non-hominid has a wider and longer flask-shaped skull that is at its widest near the back measuring 17 centimetres, as opposed to a maximum sapien width of 13 centimetres at the mid-point. Not only is the skull dramatically different in shape, it is at least 400 ccs larger, and above and beyond all these genetic irregularities, there is the issue of what we refer to as a forehead, it has none! That is the essential parting of the genetic ways, the backward slope above the eyes is so severe and continuous in descent, that when facing this individual face to face it would seem there is nothing more. Even Lucy has a forehead, granted it isn’t much, but it is there and visible, this one has gone off on another genetic tangent.

                In what only multiplies this cranial division, is that all hominids have three sutures that fuse gradually after birth. It is that flexibility that allows the human brain to slowly increase in size, while all apes and monkeys have a fused sagittal keel, which means the skull will not expand and remain as it is. This off-world individual does not have three sutures, it has either none or two. Both experts involved in creating this model made the same observation, more than once. Even the two assumed side sutures, placed where the top skull plate was broken, is incorrectly positioned if it is any form of hominid. Our side sutures join the top suture while the skull is still ascending, while the reconstructed skull has the two sutures on the descent and much further back. Either way, all hominids have three sutures, and this skull is definitely in the less than three category.

The only information we have been able to gather relating to this skull/species is through an Original Keeper of Lore, who believes that these beings lived in caves on the side of cliffs. Which of course is corroborated by Dr. Clarke’s research in America. There is strong circumstantial evidence at a coastal site that the skull photographed fell on a coastal rock platform from the cliff face directly above. This fallen segment of the top plate was in plain view, and so too was the hole between eyes, which could be the result of impact with the rocks below after a steep vertical fall.

                In concluding a brief and far from complete comparison between these four beings and all other earthly clientele, the most convincing skeletal evidence yet seen or measured has nothing to do with the head, and everything to do with the humerus bone found at the burial site. Even though the elbow joint is missing and at least another four centimetres has to be added to what I measured, the remaining 43 centimetres just doesn’t fit into any Earthly model. Humans have humerus bones that can measure up to 32 centimetres, a gibbon has arms that can grow to 35 centimetres in length and the bone is quite thick, and this is where it gets tricky, simply because the bone of the flathead is so thin. At no stage, outside the upper joint, is it thicker than 2 centimetres. Which means if trying to function in this heavy gravity it simply will not operate effectively, outside maintaining balance and swinging in the air, this limb is a spectator as it lacks either the muscles or ligaments to make any useful contribution.

                What these four Australian beings are is not human, there is far too much at direct variance and so little, to nothing, shared with any Earthly resident, past or present. Whether called by the Cherokee “Moon People”(22) or the less elegant term we coined of ‘flatheads,’ what can be stated with absolute certainty is that these beings come from somewhere else in the Cosmos. Further to that, they never left. In fact, with their ancient presence empirically proven, it is time to move past whether or not, who or when, and move on to why.

What’s the Attraction?

I remember asking highly respected Original Elder, Uncle Marbuck why is it that UFOs and Aliens even bother with the inhabitants of this planet that seemed so obsessed with fighting everything. The last six thousand years has been a testimonial to the ‘art of war,’ greed, ownership and prejudice with men at the helm. My point being, what is there here that makes it so worthwhile to abandon home, travel so far, and for what? Outside a preference for viewing an unscripted horror movie that never ends, it just didn’t make sense to come and watch sapiens endlessly squabbling in the sand-pit.

                As it is with all Original Elders of a high station, asking a direct question invariably gets a cryptic response that seemingly is so far off topic, but always finds a circuitous way back home. “Who was the first Alien shown in a sympathetic light on any science fiction TV program?”(23)

                It took a few seconds to even assemble a verbal reaction, it wasn’t much, in fact, I really didn’t know where this was running. So much so I missed the vital science fiction clue in this oblique question in nominating the Martian in the comedy TV series, My Favourite Martian.

                Due to the dramatic unexpected diversion into fictional TV programming, my answer was so far off-track Uncle Marbuck could see I was too far gone and decided to speed up the learning process. “No, Dr. Spock. More importantly what was it about him that separated him from humans, yet also drew him towards them?”(24)

NBC Television / Public domain

                I just couldn’t win, got the first question wrong and was way out of my depth with this one. I wasn’t a great fan of Star Trek, but I certainly knew a bit about the fictional character of Spock with his pointy ears, but certainly none of the nuances and inner turmoils. I felt it was safer to plead vacancy rather than repeat the My Favourite Martian fiasco.

                I suspect that deep down Uncle Marbuck was enjoying throwing out bait and obscure clues and watch me stumbling in the dark. For a while, then he gave the answer we spent some time revolving around. “Love, it was the range of emotions humans displayed that Spock was not only so intrigued by, but secretly admired and wished to experience. He was extremely logical and rational, but knew the most powerful of all human qualities was love. Humans would sacrifice their lives to protect someone they loved. As much as Spock could see no sane reason to participate in such a selfless exchange, he stayed with the humans as he slowly learned to love.”(25)

                Uncle Marbuck told me that this planet reeks pure love, which is the purest energy in existence, and the time had come for humans to accept this gift unconditionally, or move on, and incarnate elsewhere. Something happening here alone has come to fruition with Cosmic implications and concerns for all beings irrespective of genetics or constellations. Our future is theirs, and love is the defining factor. Very simply, they came to suggest, hint, indirectly steer towards and hope we get it.

Changing Publishers

Until Uncle Marbuck had spoken so specifically about off-world beings, we had kept at arms-length from substantial discussions about anything extra-terrestrial. To begin with, we deliberately avoided making any mention of UFOs, in fact our first three books were published by University Press of America and not a single mention or reference was made about anything Alien. Uncle Marbuck was responsible for us moving past an occasional mention, to what is now the focal point of our research. What did happen was that our fourth book was conditionally agreed to be published, but only if all mention of Aliens, Madam Blavatsky and Professor Elkin was deleted.

                We are fully beholding to Original Elders and Culture Keepers for our content, never academics and publishers, so we walked away and went off into the stars and all Original points in between. In the meantime, Uncle Marbuck seeded in me a series of questions without apparent answers. What was this talk of a change ahead where each person made a choice? What is the choice and the means of delivery? At the same time, the conditioned rational mind was always lingering in the background sniggering at this talk yet again of revolution/transformation/ascension. I have heard talk of such things throughout this incarnation so often, it is like the ‘boy who cried wolf’ times twenty.

                So, there I sat in limbo between a revered Elder’s predictions, and a conditioned lifetime in school as a student and teacher, and vacillated for some time, until receiving a phone call from an Elder from Victoria that tipped the scales, forever.

The Original Prophecy Foretelling the Change of Everything

This has been an evolving process that began nearly three years ago. Elders and Keepers of Lore have approached us with an almost identical word for word description of soon to come days of complete transformation. Such has been the number and consistency of narrative, if other Elders approach us on unrelated archaeology or history that involves Old Way protocol and knowledge, we always introduce the topic of the oncoming change to see how they react and whether they knew of this renaissance. If they do not, then the radar is on and suspicion aroused. Fortunately, that has never happened, because on each occasion when the subject was raised it became immediately obvious that they were genuine and knowledgeable in such profound matters.

                We first heard talk of this seminal transformation close to three years ago. The sources vary, some are very close to those orchestrating these ceremonies, with others there were degrees of separation, but what remained constant was the general processes, location and outcomes. To begin with, we were told that a Pleiadean spaceship carrying a special device was on its way to Earth. Since that earlier description it has become obvious that this had already happened, a long time before. From an Original perspective, time is circular in nature and progression, so being off by close to a million years is not an issue as it did happen, when, is such an insignificant part of this equation. What doesn’t change, is that it was delivered by Pleiadeans, and the ‘machinery’ is ready and waiting.  

                This device, which the Elders refer to as a “Magic Box,” is beyond the comprehension of mere mortals, but there is one drawback in this gift from the stars. If unassisted by humans, it will do nothing beyond await instructions. Even when the ‘switch’ is sung and turned on, the best it can independently do is get ready. Aliens of good intentions are banned from directly influencing human affairs, they can hint, suggest and wave a big white flag, but never initiate or supplement. This Magic Box will feed off pure positive human energy. If there are indeed the minimum numbers still present (which runs into six figures) and unaffected by pandemics, economic chaos, warfare and terrorism and are totally focused on the positive, this box will absorb that powerful reservoir of pure energy then amplify and distribute throughout all the ley lines and Dreaming tracks on this the planet.

                The planet itself is aware of this oncoming acceleration where its resonance will ascend. It is for that reason that the Schumann Resonance, which measures the planets inner pulse, has been of recent times peaking and receding like the tides of the ocean. It is readying itself for this ceremony, for once the final ritual is completed the Earth will continually vibrate at a much higher level, forever. However, if the current fear and negativity prevails and the number of people who are unaffected is too low, the box will remain idling and soon after the Earth’s axis will tilt and the oceans will clean the planet and virtually everything will be literally washed away. Either way, the earth is rising and will be cleansed.

                Now if the numbers are sufficient and the energy flows, the Elders have told us that the Earth will literally split into two ‘pulses.’ One being close to 200 on the Schuman chart and the other will remain at the present base level of about 8. Each soul will automatically gravitate to the frequency that reflects their current stage of spiritual development. Those obsessed by greed, gossip, power, backbiting and turmoil will be drawn to the lower vibration while those seeking wisdom, introspection and Old Ways will be called to the higher resonance. Such a bi-vibrational construct is an imbalanced physical equation, as you cannot have two realities co-existing on the same material plane. Over the months, possibly even a few years, past the dividing line the lower base, to which many will be called, will slowly fade then finally vanish. And so too will its entire esoteric cargo leave this planet. This separation is not meant as either a judgment or penalty, as the souls who do not straddle the hurdle will still incarnate, but not here as the higher ascended frequency would literally kill any less developed soul. So, it is back to Kindergarten elsewhere for a lot of the present-day inhabitants of this planet, and on to Earth University for those who made the grade. (* Since hearing this explanation of where these souls went next, another destination has been presented to us, which will be expanded upon in another article further down the line.)

                And when will the final examination for each soul take place? The answer, which is down to the exact second, we first heard from Original Victorian Elder, Brendan Murray, and I remember stating at the time of first disclosure I was very hesitant to vouch for such precision in timing. Time means nothing on the other side of the curtain, it is a mortal construction, and too many self-proclaimed prophets have staked their authenticity on a number and date, and we are still here none the better. Despite these justifiable reasons not to declare any date, because of events and information given that cannot be fully revealed at present, we are now 99.999% convinced that on December 21, 9 pm at Uluru, the box will be opened and switch turned on.

One Two and Three

Whether the audience is Cherokee, Hopi, Original, Mayan, Bruce or someone who is aware, it makes no difference as it is the same story about Moon People and why they came, irrespective of geography or tribal membership. They live below and have big eyes and care greatly about the Earth and the sapien magicians who lost their way. The Earth’s magic is coming back, but so many people, institutions, cabals and leaders see things differently. What they fail to appreciate is that finally Old Ways will prevail, because past the date of December 21, 2020, new rules apply which means Old Way always conquers No Way. The Moon People, the Pleiadeans, those from Sirius, Andromeda and all other off-world locations, know what is coming yet are unable to do much more than passively spectate and can offer nothing to assist, except for one special previously agreed to escape clause in the form of a Magic Box.

                They are all watching and hoping that we can turn on the switch and power up the crystals inside the Magic Box, knowing it is all down to us. This is the event so often predicted, it is a time for all incarnated souls to make a final choice in deciding whether to be heroes or villains. The best part is that no other spirit or being gets to choose, it all comes down to the consequences of your own actions and thoughts. It is your karma that picks a side in this final showdown. So, it does all come down to what comes next.              


(1)- (22): “Indigenous elders share stories about ‘star people’ living inside the Earth”,  Nexus News Feed,

From: Arjun Walia (Source:; April 25, 2020;

(23)- (25): Uncle Marbuck, 2014, Personal Communication to Steven Strong.

Dingoes and Denisovans: Ancient Genetic Anomalies or New Genetic Realities

By Steven & Evan Strong


Throughout all our research, books, reports and presentations there has always been a consistent division and sequence. To begin with, we must first establish that there is an error in current expectations or supposed facts, pursuing any alternative is a futile exercise unless a convincing argument is made on behalf of dispensing with accepted paradigms. If it turns out our offerings in response to this vacuum are indeed mistaken, that is secondary to the main error in transmission. The primary focus should always be that what is believed to be fundamentally true is now under question, whatever we come up with is merely part of the next step on the rung.

                When it comes to human presence at Point Ritchie, Victoria over 120,000 years ago, metal objects found in Australia still unidentified or far too sophisticated, flatheaded non-sutured skulls far smarter than us, rocks displaying knowledge and technology beyond our current capacity and so the inconvenient list continues, all of this archaeology just doesn’t fit. We see so much of what shouldn’t be, either in research or artefacts and sites, and from our perspective immediately dispensing with most of what is claimed to be true about ancient history and human evolution is pure common sense.

                To an extent, what closed this debate in prompting us to make a parting statement, were the last two printed copies of reports on archaeological topics Evan found and handed to me. One paper was centred solely on ancient developments in Australia, while in the other review the same continent is incidentally mentioned once on page three. The content of each paper is separated by the principle item under investigation, emphasis and locations, but bound together by one recurring enigma: Australia always seems to present contrary evidence, hominids, genes, dates and artefacts.

                To be honest neither paper was controversial nor added anything new to either topic, if anything both were still mainstream in complexion through clinging to conventional models. But what it did remind us of is that until the reason why there is now a ‘sea of square pegs in a round archaeological ocean’ is that each researcher is obliged to fall back on some very flawed models like survival of the fittest or OutofAfrica. Once opting to travel down familiar settings, what they come up with always falls short. Maintaining that honesty, if we were to rank the top ten sites, artefacts or pieces of research that challenge conventional thinking and models, neither of these two recent arrivals would rate a mention, not even in the ‘reserves bench.’ Their value is not so much through overwhelming credentials, but more the ‘two straws that broke the camel’s back.’ The real issue here is not so much the undeniable quality of opposing research, but the sheer volume that never ceases to flow, of which these two are the latest to row downstream and take up a mainstream mooring.

The Non-Dog, Non-Wolf, Non-…

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Of the three classifications provided in the sub-heading, at the present genetic state of proceedings, it is third Non-category of three consecutive dots trailing off into empty space that is the most likely contender. Ever since the results of extensive genetic research into the origins and canine connections of the dingo were released by Sydney University, the aftermath is a mixture of a wall of silence, confusion and political opportunism.

Michael Crowther begins his report (“The Dingo is a true-blue, native Australian species”)(1) by addressing a very recent casualty of this genetic research, “of all Australia’s wildlife, one stands out as having an identity crisis: the dingo.”(2) Such is the inability of mainstream channels to grasp or absorb, those with agendas inspired by profit or political opportunism have filled in the breach. “The Western Australian government recently made a controversial attempt to classify the dingo as “non-native fauna.”(3) Their logic, for want of a better term, seems to be that since dingos no longer belong to any known dog, wolf or canine family, they have no kin and therefore lose their legal right of tenancy and every form of protection. The botanical equivalent of being legislated into “non-native fauna”(4) status would be that of a introduced weed like lantana.

What seems to have followed since the genetic readings were made public, is that no sensible explanation has risen to the surface. Simply because the findings that the dingo is not genetically related to any dog, wolf, fox, jackal or canine, when most academics were adamant it was directly related to the wild dogs of Southern India, was not welcome and never seriously addressed.

                It had been assumed that the ancestral canine of all Australian dingos came from India accidentally, via driftwood or through falling into the water while on a fishing vessel, but the dingo’s genes deny a voyage from anywhere outside this continent. What we have coming out of this research is where these animals ended up with no comparative genetic markers nor departure point. What also seems to have been neglected in considerations (yet again) is the Original narrative. After all, irrespective of when the dingo supposedly came ashore, the Original people were already here and witnessed it occurring, all academics came onto the scene much later. And what needs to be appreciated is that there are plenty of Dreaming stories and Oral Lore accounts that provide clarity, specifics and undeniable evidence of a cross-species alliance that is unique, anywhere.

Three Dreaming Stories and No Journey Across the Oceans

From the thousands of Dreaming Stories spread over hundreds of tribal estates, very little if anything that took place was forgotten when it comes to what came here from other countries, what was permitted and that which was permanently denied entry. There are three Dreaming stories that directly relate to dismissing different aspects of the accepted a narrative of a dingo being imported from another country. To that end, before examining the special relationship that was forged between humans and a dog-like superior hybrid, we need to clear the Dreaming decks in determining what geography and ancestry does not apply.

                The first two Dreaming stories deal with the only two locations yet suggested as places from which a pre-dingo ancestor originated, India and Africa. Both stories were given to us in printed form by Bundjalung Elder and son of the revered Aunty Millie Boyd, Harry Boyd. At that time, Harry and a colleague of his approached us requesting we write a book about his mother and some assorted issues. Even though nothing came of the venture, the two copies we were given based on ancient events made no sense at the time, nor did they relate to any topics we were investigating. Until now we have never referenced them in articles or live presentations, but that is about to change.

                The first story leaves no room to manoeuvre in that nothing from Africa, be it animal or person, is welcome. In fact, anything African is prohibited from ever entering this country. Yes, that name is actually used, whether a different Original name was given for this continent to the west is unknown, but in this translation Africa is specified, as are the descriptions of quite few animals native to that continent. In each request, made by the ‘King of Africa’ to come ashore bringing a different animal as a gift, he is rebuffed by the ‘King of Australia,’ who denies entry because we already have this animal. Time after time the King of Africa offers a new animal, and on each occasion the reply is in the negative, and alas for the responder, untrue.

                Even though the Elder representing Australia at the point of prospective entry, is right to block entry and refuse permission, as none of the African animals are of this continent, have no residing Creation spirit in Australia and would undeniably upset the ecological balance, to lie repeatedly is a grave sin no matter what the circumstances. So, in breaking such an elemental Law in protocol with the Spirits, the Elder was punished and turned into a frog/spirit. To this very day that frog can still be heard croaking the same denial to all things African. “O we don’t want anything like that.  We’ve got ’em here in this place..”(5)

                In nominating Africa, the animals within and a formal denial of entry of all fauna from that continent, if one solitary dingo-like exception was made it would have to be included in this account, or followed up further in with another Dreaming story. Neither retraction took place. Therefore, the dingo did not come from Africa. However, Africa has always been the second choice. India has been the principle focus of the experts, and one native dog in Southern India, the preferred ancestral choice.

                The problem is, the second Dreaming story Harry gave us automatically excludes India from any further consideration. The contents specify when and where the last contact between Original and Dravidian tribes took place, and once again the Indian precursor to the dingo is totally absent in these ancient discussions and final separation. In this historical account, the Original women despaired of the men traveling across the now submerged section of land that joined Sri Lanka, India and the north-western section of Australia, to wage war in India.

                The warriors in India had long hair which was wrapped under turbans. The animosity between tribes was long-standing and unbeknown to either warring party, this conflict was about to come to a permanent cessation in hostilities. While the men were in battle the Original women took out their magic digging sticks and severed the connecting land-bridge. When the men returned from battle, they found their route home was now a huge expanse of blue with nowhere solid to set forth. It was only due to the very powerful magic of one Clever-fella did the warring party finally return, but after doing so they promised to the women never to fight the Indians who now lived across the ocean. During this quite specific account of continental plates separating, as certainly is the case with India and Australia which were once co-joined, no mention was made of the men taking with them any prize from the victorious battle, either before or after. Whether untold riches or even a few scrawny dogs, no acknowledgement was made of anything or species, other than the men and their weapons, being carried back home. If an animal as clever, loved and revered as the dingo undeniably is to both Original Dreaming stories and the tribal daily life, was actually an Indian gift or the spoils of war, surely this final parting of the continental ways would include mention of such a seminal addition to the national countryside?

Two Crosses and one Tick

With India and Africa ruled out and nowhere else ever suggested, we have run into an academic dead-end. Fortunately, Old Way history goes back well past pen and paper, and there is one Dreaming story that completes this trilogy in providing an original home base for the dingo: Australia, and possibly, beyond.

                My personal apologies, because even though I heard this particular Dreaming story at two tribal locations given by different Elders, it was some time ago and the locations are lost. But as to the general thrust of the content and consistency between versions, that still remains untarnished, simply because the content was so dramatic and memorable.

It was during a time of massive upheaval and rapid plate movement, and at one location the earth split apart and representatives of all animals and beings of Australia were assembled as the earth opened up. The Original humans ran in one direction and all the animals took the opposite path, but one animal tribe hesitated, then turned and ran towards their human compatriots. It was a late decision and almost fatal as the earth kept splitting further apart, but due to providence and the help of humans, all the dingos survived and joined the human tribe in a special relationship no other species of non-humans enjoyed. Such was the depth of love and loyalty shown by the Dingo Tribe, from that point on they have been accorded a position that is nigh on equal to the rights and respect given to initiated tribal members.

                They were, from that point on, two tribes living beside each other, yet remained independent of each other. They would share in the hunt, in the distribution of food, in the love of the tribe and even suckle milk from the nipples of their female human friends. This is not the traditional master/servant or even human/slave relationship, but a beneficial alliance of equals bringing different talents into a harmonious blend of two into one. And most importantly, whether clad in fur or skin, both species came from the land of Australia. With that Indigenous residency and genesis established, it is time to step past the first merging of two tribal associations throughout Australia, and move further down the linear white-fella time line in examining post-Cook reports of dingos and Original people in consort and co-operation.

Substitute People With fur

From the time of first liaison until well after the British Invasion, the two tribes lived beside and with each other, and as with all parts of Original life a code of behaviour and responsibilities was agreed to by both parties. No-one could ever hit or raise their voice in anger against any dingo, causing physical or emotional stress was forbidden. If no-one could yell at or hit a child, then so too the dingos receive the same respect and consideration.

                No leashes or collars were made, if or when dingos joined the men in the hunt was never a decision for the men. When they did, the chances of a successful hunt were much greater. Together the skill, guile and experience of humans and this semi-canine were formidable. When meat was caught and cut up, both humans and dingos were catered for fairly.

                However, this was much more to this than just sharing the hunt and satisfying the appetite in this communion. Michael Ryan was born in 1899 “under a spirit tree.”(6) He wrote a book called “White Man, Black Man,”(7) which detailed his experiences as a child while living beside and being raised by Original tribal people in South-west Queensland. In one account he described his mother’s angst and seemingly justifiable apprehension that the Original wet-nurse Michael suckled from, had two ‘infants’ to feed. More often than not the three-month old white infant had to get in line and wait, as he was the second mouth on the breast. A young dingo pup had lost its mother, and this woman was more than happy to act as a surrogate lactating female dingo. From an Original perspective, there was no problem in the pup going first, as it was much smaller and needed less milk to satisfy its needs. If she did run dry when Michael was feeding, well then, he just had to wait for more. Whereas the dingo pup never went hungry.

                That the immediate needs of the dingo were satisfied at the expense of a human infant is a strong indicator this equality is well past what is given to a pet, it goes beyond that to permeate every level of tribal and pack Culture.

The Fringe Dwellers and Karno’s Dingo

The movie Fringe Dwellers is a movie about Original life on the outskirts of a country town, and an extremely fine piece of work I often used when teaching Aboriginal Studies in Secondary School. It was the setting, actors and script that is so real and authentic that made it such a valuable teaching asset. We do know that once the movie work crew constructed a very realistic Original settlement on the fringes of the town, the numbers of daytime dogs in the nearby town rapidly diminished on the days when filming took place. A multitude of dogs were gathered and placed on set by the local Original people. None were actually stolen as such, all were returned home when the filming wasn’t taking place, but while they were filming dogs were literally wandering through every scene en-masse. The reason the filmmakers were so insistent dogs were required is simply because at every camp, mission settlement and Original fringe community, all are replete with many dogs. The need to be surrounded by canines is inherent and such an integral part of the way the two tribes had taken up residence together. Even though dingos were no longer camping with Original people and tribes, the second-best alternative, domestic dogs, has filled the void.

                That void certainly wasn’t part of Karno’s story, no distant canine relations would suffice. The first time I met Karno I also met his dingo. Never got to pat him and even sit that close, but I was near him and had the opportunity to learn the basics, barely the 101 of dingo life and philosophy. The very first observation made related to the canine hierarchy, among mere dogs this dingo was royalty. Other dogs would gingerly approach the dingo sitting beside Karno, but on every occasion bar one, each dog was not given the time of day and clearly told to move on. What happened next never varied, the approaching dog would stop, curl its tail inwards and slowly back off. They cowered and bowed their head as they departed, seemingly apologising for having the temerity to intrude on ‘caninish’ royalty.

                Of close to a dozen failed approaches, one dog was allowed to step a little closer, and for close to twenty seconds the dingo did show some interest. But just as the curiosity did momentarily bubble, Karno stood and walked away. The dingo followed him immediately, and the only dog permitted to approach was discarded for more important ‘Karno business.’ There wasn’t any aggression shown or even inconvenience caused to the other dogs, the dingo just had better things to do than ‘play with the puppies.’

Collective Amnesia, Continental Censorship or Permanent Residency

What never ceases to amaze is the number of times academics, archaeologists and historians pass comment on Australia pre and post Cook, but never consult with the people whose ancestors were here when whatever they are examining is under discussion. With the dingo there is no Dreaming story or ancient oral account of dingos coming from India, Africa or anywhere else except Australia. No Original dingo history begins with they came from…

The dingo is special to humans, more so than any other animal in Australia, and because of this its story and place of origin and residence is known of and maintained. The animal is unlike any other in Australia. In a land of pouched marsupials, this mammal is unique. It is the apex predator/hunter with only humans displaying the same degree of proficiency in the hunt. If it was an import from abroad, that is just too important a moment in Australian history to be cast aside with no record of this migration. It just doesn’t make sense for this arrival to be dismissed as inconsequential. If the dingo is not an import but local product, nothing needs to be stated beyond they are here. There is no need to say anything more than ‘once upon a time in a land …

To ignore that there is corroborating Original historical evidence and venture forth without effective Original consultation is bad science, bad form and bad manners. According to all Original records, the dingo did not originate in India, Africa or anywhere else but Australia. According to the geneticists from Sydney University, the recent analysis of dingo mtDNA shows it is not directly related to any other dog, wolf or canine found anywhere except in Australia.

So, when crossing the divide in combining the Dreaming and genetics, once extracting an overabundance of pre-existing bias and mistaken premises, what comes out of this esoteric overlay is that the dingo was made and evolved in Australia. Any other genetic variation or addition that could have taken place was also in Australia. If that did happen, which would explain why there is no direct match, that has to involve a Pleiadean involvement.

The reason why off-world genetic influences should at least be considered in the dingo’s case, is simply due to what an Elder said when on a sacred site. Darkinooong Elder Gavy Duncan was in ceremony wearing a grey kangaroo Law Man’s coat when being interviewed about the Bulgandry site by Georgio from Ancient Aliens. He was standing beside what Gavy called a spaceship and three kangaroos found very close by, reminding us that these animals were brought to the Earth via the engraved spaceship that came from another planet. Being the only female animal that can control whether she conceives a foetus for up to five years, that uses a tail like a fifth limb, will, two days after conception carry her young for a very long time in a pouch, the idea that this animal did not originate on this planet is not a huge stretch. If so, surely the same can be said for another species that is genetically unique and only found in Australia.   

Or perhaps this is just another one of our far-left Original theories, as we said it really doesn’t matter as the error still remains in regard to where, and even the best science there is in support of when sits on shaky ground. According to the mainstream dingo narrative, the dog originating from Southern India came here around 6,000 years ago. How do they know that? Simple, that is the oldest Carbon 14 date yet given when analysing dingo bones in Australia. They claim that bone solid date gives certainty in the time of entry, but does it?

If seeking precision, it appears that relying on bone dates and a time of arrival in Australia didn’t work well with humans. When I was a child (pardon the excursion into ancient history but there is a recurrent flaw here), upon entering kindergarten, the textbooks confidently declared that Original people had been in Australia for 20,000 years. Upon entering high school, the date was doubled to 40,000 years, as I began teaching there were rumours of 60,000 years and not so long ago the possibility of another 5,000 years was thrown into the total. The recent the date of 120,000 years, based on solid science and academics of high standing, is now the current baseline. That is an increase of six-fold over a little more than fifty years. So, the human experience is clear, standing by numbers in Australian archaeology then claiming any degree of precision is a fool’s errand.

All dingo bones found were never treated or buried, but left on the ground where the dingo fell. The bones were exposed to the elements, disturbed, walked over and at present the oldest dingo bones have been dated at 6,000 years. Going on the saga of the human bones and fluctuating dates as a guide, placing any value on one date seems to have been a risky bet, doubly so knowing that the locals have already made it clear that the date and notion of coming from anywhere else is wrong.

The Notion of Coming From Anywhere Else is Wrong

We made that observation in the last sentence when discussing the origins of the dingo, so say the Dreaming stories. We can repeat ourselves when investigating the paths, diversity and genetics of humans in Australia. Just as it is with the dingo, there is a growing uncertainty in relation to who, when, where and how. Amongst the fraying of the edges and shifting boundaries within an expanding global hominid family, as soon as anything Australian is thrown into the mix it all gets too simple or so contradictory.

Just as it is with the dingo paper Evan handed me, the second report on “nine human species”(8) who “walked the Earth 300,000 years ago,”(9) began by reinforcing our belief this numbers game in relation to dates and a hominid tally is never stationary and so difficult to keep extending and re-modelling. When I was in school the hominid population was primarily sapiens, with a few brutish Neanderthals thrown into the background. Hairy, crude and dribbling at the mouth, they barely deserved to stand in the shadow of our noble modern ancestors. That count stayed at two until after the beginning of twenty-first century. About fifteen years ago there was talk of a new species of hominin called Denisovan, past that discovery the floodgates opened. So much so, the claimed number of nine is now wrong, as Homo Heidelbergensis is now recognised as a distinct quite primitive looking species, yet has a larger brain than Homo sapiens sapien. Not only is this skull a weird combination of archaic facial features and a large over-sized modern cranium, it brings the number of different larger-brained hominins walking on this planet into double figures. May we suggest that the odds that revised number is going to increase are extremely high. Such is the incredible increase, the writer of this article, Nick Longrich, is in total agreement, conceding that “given how quickly we are discovering new species, more are likely waiting to be found.”(10)

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Outside the concession of more to be found, increasing uncertainty and the increasing difficulty in accommodating this into conventional theories on human evolution and survival, there is nothing else in this article that does anything more beyond cobbling together a very traditional, and severely questionable, model of the apex intelligent hominids prevailing over their less talented and aware hominid kin and cousins.

“Nine Species of human Once Walked the Earth. Now There’s Just One. Did we Kill the Rest?”(11)

This is the title of Longrich’s paper, and although a bit spartan in the use of adverbs and adjectives, it does sum up the gist of his report. The opening sentence highlights a seminal fork in the Hominid road, there was a time when “nine human species walked the Earth 300,000 years ago. Now there is just one … By 10,000 years ago, they were all gone.”(12)

                During Longrich’s quest to determine what was the most likely cause of the extinction of no less than nine other human species, he falls back on a popular underlying assumption, and once attributing that primitive stereotype, it gets real easy to fill in the blanks. “History is full of examples of people warring, displacing and wiping out other groups over territory … like language or tool use, a capacity for and tendency to engage in genocide is arguably an intrinsic, distinctive part of human nature.”(13) So, being genetically ‘hotwired’ with genocidal tendencies the Homo sapiens sapien conquered, pillaged and murdered simply because it is what we do.

                The problem is all written history has been recorded since sedentary life, cities, forts and money was most recently dominant from about 6,000 years ago, before that for a long time people lived a hunter-gatherer animistic society. As to whether the relations between tribes were as savage and aggressive in earlier times, there is no evidence of wholesale slaughter or debauchery in the archaeology in Australia until the British invaded. So that commentary has legs once humans began to fight nature, but that may well mean that this aggression and brutality is a product of a changing sedentary society and technology without a soul.

From the time modern man came onto the scene it was a “war.”(14) From Longrich’s viewpoint, it wasn’t as if the other nine, now ten, offended in anyway, quite the opposite, it seems that because the sapiens had no conscience, sense of pity or compassion, we wiped out all the others. What a charming notion, our ascendency and pedestal is soaked in blood, senseless primal genocide and a complete disregard for the rights of any species, bar themselves.

                In seeking any potential justification, he feels it was not a deliberate planned holocaust of so many, but more they way things had to be. The implication being we are obeying Nature’s plan through conquest and arrogance. “Our elimination of other species probably wasn’t a planned, coordinated effort of the sort practised by civilisations, but a war of attrition. The end result, however, was just as final. Raid by raid, ambush by ambush, valley by valley, modern humans would have worn down their enemies and taken their land.”(15) This hypothetical scenario reeks of modern day thinking were the battlefields can be found in warfare, economics, politics and all places in between. The writer is assuming people from tens of thousands of years ago were selfish, competitive and aggressive, the problem is it these traits that are part and parcel of the competitive world of today. They are essential codes of behaviour if wishing to succeed and profiteer. Longrich seems to have completely forgotten all the hominids he cites were supposedly hunter-gatherers. That creates an entirely different mind-set if tribal territories remain secure in perpetuity, as was the case throughout pre-Cook Australia, interactions with neighbours close and far, take on new priorities and expectations.

The Skulls Demand a Different Pecking-Order

Throughout this short overview the author keeps returning to the pivotal foundation behind the carnage, the superior intelligence of modern man was the defining factor that ensure sapiens would prevail and annihilate. Longrich feels that “arsenal of early Homo sapiens probably included projectile weapons like javelins and spear-throwers, throwing sticks and clubs.”(16) “Probably”(17) denies certainty, what is interesting is the presumption that the ‘lesser’ hominids did not have such  “sophisticated weapons.”(18) Knowing that the sum total of Neanderthal bones found could fit on one table, I think it is huge call that verges on ridiculous to assert other hominids like Neanderthals or Denisovans were technologically and intellectually impoverished, especially since our investigations have found five species of non-sapiens that have much larger skulls than sapiens.

                It is our belief sapiens were nowhere near the smartest of the class of ten plus, in fact, it is possible it was the sapiens who permanently wore the ‘dunce-cap.’ It is now known that 50,000 years ago Denisovans were creating exquisite delicate jewellery that would fetch a very high price today, no less impressive is the recent archaeology out of Europe proving Neanderthal settlements had hot running water. While all this is going on one species remain in the dark, in the cold caves and certainly a long way behind in the civilised stakes. This should be no surprise as it is well known that both Denisovans and Neanderthals have larger skulls and brains, so we should expect to see a difference in refinement and sophistication, with the sapiens still scratching around in the caves.

                But it is not just the Denisovans and Neanderthals who sit at the top of the class, in fact the flatheaded skulls we have been involved with are at least 400 cc larger than sapiens and 300 ccs larger than either Neanderthal or Denisovan. It’s a flask-shaped skull which is at its widest (17 cms) at the back, while sapien skulls are 13 cms wide and that width is at the mid-point of the skull. But it doesn’t stop there, as the sapiens are also ‘out-measured’ by the newly reclassified Homo Heidelbergensis, which has a cranium capacity of around 1,400 ccs. And this is where it gets decidedly messy and hints at an actual regression in the size of the sapien skull, in that we have the remains of what two experts insist is an archaic Homo sapiens, the immediate pre-cursor to modern man, which until now had only been found in Africa. What still leaves us confused, is that the size of the supposedly primitive robust sapien skull we have is clearly larger than that of the modern man skull we use as a comparison.

                The rest of Longrich’s class admittedly do have smaller-sized brains, but before a lower grade is awarded it needs to be factored in that Homo naledi, Homo luzonensis and Homo florensis also have smaller-sized bodies. Therefore, that automatically doesn’t mean the sapiens can rightly claim sixth position in the class, we need to be more circumspect and observe how they lived and whether it was austere survival or joyful. What we do know is that Homo florensis has a brain marginally larger than a chimp, but had tools, a language, culture and lived in the same manner as the larger hominids. Dean Faulk examined the much smaller skull and found something unseen before, the frontal lobes were so much bigger in proportion to the rest of the brain and was larger than the lobes of the bigger hominids. Throw in the reality that we use less than 20% of our brain’s capacity today, and into that truth we ask the question, what if in earlier days more of the brain was activated and effectively functioning? Not that this is true, but if Lucy, who is at least 3,200,000 years old and has a brain size of around 600 cc, had her entire brain turned on, she would be three times smarter than us today. Why is it our brain is so large and so underused? Is that a recent regression? Is there any other human organ that is as ineffective in numerical capacity and application? Bearing in mind the archaic sapien ancestor we have has a much bigger skull, and one could ask has the shrinkage in the size of the skull been gradual, or sudden?

                Ranked six or lower in a hominid class of ten three hundred thousands years ago, the idea that a classmate from the bottom half would prevail and conquer is not a logical or rational explanation, it just doesn’t make sense to any teacher. Moreover, if we did “kill the rest,”(19) as Longrich maintains, what pride or honour is there in being sapien? If we are mindless genocidal killers, and our genes are programmed to destroy and exterminate, where is the grace in emulating Daleks? If this is all we amount to, then stop the world I want to get off.

An Honours Student

One of Longrich’s failed hominids, but an A Grade student sitting near the top of our class, are the Denisovans. Thought to be principally centred in Asia, recent evidence of Neanderthals and Denisovans living successfully on the plains of France 720,000 years ago has extended the Denisovan realm and duration of genetic influence. But what has not been even marginally understood or elaborated upon, is simply why is it my Denisovan genetic count is 4.7%?

                Knowing that any Denisovan count exceeding 3% and running all the way up to 6%, automatically means you are Original as all other counts are much lower, the question has to be asked, how can this be? If Africans first settled Australia 60,000 years ago and never left, and Denisovans are solely restricted to the continents of Asia and Europe, how did it such a huge genetic count remain to this day, of which I personally carry? This was not a romance through correspondence or smoke signals, but the outcome of personal contact and marriage between species, which was mutually agreed to by both parties. That obviously happened through a very up and close and personal liaison, but where? All the texts tell us they never passed by, met or even viewed each other from a distance. This unexplained relationship is an agreed part of the Denisovan legacy that Longrich omitted and should be included.

                In what only adds to the logistics and global movements unknown, the racial group that comes second with a Denisovan count of between 2-3%, are the people of the South Pacific. That is even further away by boat, second in lineage and again lacking in any reasonable explanation beyond silence and look the other way.

C­—-, (C Triple minus)

It’s an acceptable paper in saying all the right things that secure high marks and solid postings. The reporter maintains the top of the pyramid paradigm and survival of the most brutal and insensitive as the only explanation, as all other hominids were of lesser acumen and sophistication. So, this paper must be awarded a pass mark, that is compulsory under the current marking scale.

However, outside saying what is expected, nothing else is right. The tally is wrong, the sapien intellectual ascendency is manifestly untrue and the attributed vicious ingrained uncaring nature of sapiens an insult and entirely unsubstantiated, as no-one knows of the motives and dealings of at least ten hominid species hundreds of thousands of years ago. They may have been enemies and could have been friends, or somewhere in between, all three protocols are possible. But in Longrich’s article there is complete certainty in that one violent tendency is mandatory and other two never considered.

                Both papers will be accepted and passed, but our response will never be accepted or even considered. The dingo will remain in limbo having ancestors who came from somewhere else just around the corner. Homo sapiens sapien prevailed because we hate everyone except us, and once they are all killed, we turn on ourselves, and everyone lives, and dies, happily ever after. The problem is that there are no facts behind either paper, just conventional thinking and assumptions. Because of this recurring error they keep missing the focal point and place of the ancient world, Australia (the main remnant landmass of Lemuria).


There are two ways of looking at all of this, and it comes down to whether either one of them makes more sense, or doesn’t at all. From our Original perspective, this state of flux or satisfaction depends on whether off-world genes and involvement is factored into the science, history and future of the dingoes, of the many hominids that once walked on this planet, and in particular the one species that was destined to make a choice in the very near future that could resonate and energise throughout the galaxy.

                The dingo belongs here and nowhere else, the first modern humans began here and nowhere else and the Pleiadeans came here and nowhere else. The

Adnyamathanha believe that “it began here, it will end here, and it will begin again here.”(20) And from that Original foundation, the last part of this trilogy begins again here on December 21 at Uluru. 


(1) – (4): Associate Professor Matthew Crowther, March 7th, 2019. “The dingo is a true-blue, native Australian species”, The Conservation. In

(5):  Tom Whaddy, “The Frog Who Was King,” in Aboriginal Narratives and Poems of New South Wales, ed. Roland Robinson (Sydney, Australia: Hale & Iremonger Pty Ltd, 1989), 61.   

(6)-(7):  W. Michael Ryan, 1969. “White Man, Black Man“, (Jacarnda press Pty Ltd: milton, Queensland), 1.

(8)- (19): Nick Longrich, November 22nd, 2019, “Nine Species of Human Once Walked Earth. Now There’s Just One. Did We Kill The Rest?”, Science Alert, in



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