This Webnar has taken some heat due to the small fee to participate.
Think about what the answer is. Think....
What a bunch of people don't understand is most of the speakers are donating any proceed...
i am all registered for the webinar, i just needed to wait until i was financial to do it, i am sending the link to a couple of friends to see if they would also be interested, can't wait, thank you, Steven and Evan 🙂
I will guarantee that the people whinging about paying $10 for listening to a days worth of knowledge would not work for nothing! Why should people who have offered to share their knowledge not be recompensated for it. It is simple if you don't want to pay $10 don't pay it and don't whinge about it and don't get access to it! That way the people who truly want this information at a soul level are the people who are going to get it!
Putting all the Pieces Back Together: Australia's Stonehenge
By Steven & Evan Strong We are utterly convinced that the Standing Stones complex is the most important archaeological site in Australia, if not the world. Acclaimed as the “oldest temple in the world”(1) and location where language, culture and esoteric wisdom began, this place demands to be recognised as a national treasure. Alas, that has not happened, simply because without the appearance of the actual rocks that once stood on the main mound and the hundreds of inter-connected stone arrangements, it seems the authorities will not act. That was then, not now. With the strong chance the larger rocks taken from the principal mound have now been located, the most impressive feature that must be addressed relates to the tonnage and size of individual rocks. The only certainty found within the logistics of extraction, transportation and placement of thousands of tonnes of basalt on the mound in ancient days, is that such processes sit outside the reach of any mainstream historical version of pre-Cook Australia. Any explanation for what is now revealed in such unexpectedly huge dimensions must include metal blades, sophisticated means of transport, pulleys, wheels and all manner of supposedly exotic devices operating in a land of sticks and stones. Read More at:- forgottenorigin.com/putting-all-the-pieces-back-together-australias-stonehenge... See MoreSee Less
The Gympie Pyramid Story is very interesting too. I would like to visit it soon as I live not too far away from Gympie here in Queensland.
I hope that it can be brought back to its former glory.
I plan on being down that way in a few months time. It would be amazing to go to this site.
Thanks Evan 🙂
When I visited Boat Mountain for the first time in recent years, I was surprised how it looked more like a big ridge. It is only about 5 metres wide by I.3 km long. But in ancient times it would have been wider. It did seem to be man made to me because of it's unusual formation. I can see Boat Mountain from my kitchen window as I type this. There are many mound like hills nearby too that look to be like burial places. When I visited Boat Mountain last year in May I took my 20 year old nephew Brad with me. Something amazing happened when we were walking up on the mountain about halfway, a black scrub beetle (roach) crossed our path and came to me. I let it walk into my hand and it kind of gave me a happy feeling because I sensed that it wanted to connect and greet me also. It was quite heavy and so shiny too. I even took a short video of it playing in my hand. But unfortunately the video wasn't clear and the couple of photos I also took were on my old computer when it crashed last June. Surprisingly on our way back from looking at the other end of Boat Mountain, my nephew said 'look there is your beetle friend looking for you again' I picked up that cute beetle again for a couple of minutes and then I buried under all the leaves again. I did want to keep it but I thought I should put it back there in a safe spot on that mountain. I did feel something kind of spiritual about that dark glossy beetle and that was why I decided to leave it there. I always remember the second time I picked it up especially because it had a dog like behaviour as it was kind of like sniffing madly and looking up at me. My nephew saw that too and was amazed at it too. Now after that strange beetle event last year and what I know now (spiritually) means that I definitely have an ancient connection to a BEETLE. It must be the SCARAB beetle!
There is so much mystery about the Gympie Pyramid too. Many people including experts from around the world have visited there too. I feel the need to go there for the first time soon too!
This is amazing ! Please keep us updated on the project
They rebuilt stonehenge...did you know that?
when they rebuilt Stonehenge in the 1950's, they used the modern s9lstice to line it up - therevy denying us where the real original solstice had been. We could have worked out a great deal had we been privelege to the original December solstice
Evan if & when we get to a point of rebuiling this structure.. I have To earth moving equipment that would be able to most of work needed.. We might have to hire for the biggest pieces..
Bother Rob... 🙂
Andy Porter that is a kind offer will def get back to you when and hopefully we come to that stage 🙂
I sense there are a lot of people sitting on the side lines @ this point ready to support .. If this structure was important enough to disass.. Then it is even more im to to reassemble... This will take time & preparation to Bing
back to lighr x
Bring back to Light .. blessings x
Has the remote sensing satellite images been integrated into a GIS/LIS like ArcInfo yet?
We must also wonder what happens when things are interfered with such as taking away original markers/monuments? Look how massive things have been stolen from Egypt and are now standing in other countries. As we now know more about their purposes on energy lines (ley lines). I also read an article years ago on the Great Sphinx, and learned that there used to be a big ruby inside it that would energize the whole monument at different times with the sun. Most likely when the sun was in the sign of Aries or Leo because of the big red gem being a 'fire' stone. So could this also mean a positive connection with the planet Mars too? Remember that strange face on Mars? I also read that some believe that it is Tut's face on the Great Sphinx today. Well why wouldn't it be considering that we now know that he was the Son of God, not Jesus!
Ancient teeth from a Sumatran archaeological site have pushed back the colonisation of Southeast Asia by up to 20,000 years. The location of the cave site strongly suggests that the local human population was already well adapted to living in dense jungle environments by this period. ... See MoreSee Less
There is no definition in the literature any more for what anatomically modern humans are based upon teeth alone. This might seem strange, but it is common in paleontology that teeth are not diagnostic to subspecies species or even genus sometimes (for example Artiodactyl teeth are not very diagnostic at all, sometimes you can go by size somewhat when only one is known of that size some place).
The old definitions may still work in Africa and Europe (for known material anyway), but certainly are no longer valid for Asia. The main method has been a three step reduction in the upper M1 relative to the other teeth. The first reduction being seen suddenly for H. heidelbergensis / erectus (thought by many to be just one species now), then for Homo sapiens, then finally for Homo sapiens sapiens. It has been published that the M1 size relative to the other teeth in Homo floresiensis is "hyper modern", that means even smaller relative to the other teeth than in us. I can see for Red Deer Cave People (Homo sp.) it is also hyper modern, though this is unpublished (I can see it from the photos, the teeth are not really described yet and Asian material in general is neglected relative to Europe and Africa).
Red Deer Cave people are with certainty what most would now call archaic humans (despite being quite recent, only about 14,000 years old). With a few professionals initially suggesting their obviously archaic skulls were of modern humans, but this foolishness fell silent once very obviously archaic Red Deer Cave bones were published. In effect, publishing ANY Asiatic human teeth as anatomically modern makes no sense at this time, without publication of associated fairly complete skulls and maybe even leg bones are required now to really know as currently defined for anatomically modern humans. What they are actually doing now, is publishing everything less than about 120,000 years old as anatomicaly modern from Asia, unless it is VERY obviously archaic. And assuming the taxa is African, even when they are showing OBVIOUS archaic Asiatic traits.
And anatomically modern humans, as defined in mainstream science, no longer has any actual meaning until they can come up with diagnostics to define the hypothesis of anatomically modern humans (the notion may be a fantasy, so it seems based upon the fossil evidence). And to complicate matters, now what has been accepted as being an archaic human in Africa, reliably dated at 300,000 years ago from Morocco, is being touted as anatomically modern because it has some modern traits (same as every member of Homo known with brain size larger than apes). These are not my ideas, this is the current state of the literature and material which has not been fully published. I believe our teeth and skulls mostly come from archaic humans in Asia, and our hips legs and feet come from Africa, by hybrids of the two. That is what the fossil record indicates very clearly. But I doubt many professionals are going to listen to me. If the literature does come around to better consideration of the evidence versus scientific dogma, then there will be a record of my work to establish priority.
"Anatomically Modern Human" no longer has any meaning. To define a taxa there are certain requirements. For example a holotype (they have that). Another requirement is that the taxa has to be defined some way. They can revise definitions to maintain a taxa. But for now, for the term anatomically modern human has no definition, there is no way published or known how to identify fossils if they fall into that taxa, and the term has collapsed on two fronts.
One, they are now trying to define long accepted as archaic African humans as anatomically modern humans, on the notion that anatomically modern humans evolved in more than one place at the same time in Africa. This is just the old multiregional hypothesis nothing more or less, with one change, that no anatomically modern humans evolved outside of Africa. And two the hypothesis has collapsed in that Asiatic fossils now do not fit the decades old definitions at all, and violate their diagnostics. For example, if a pallate (upper teeth molars and premolars still together) of Homo floresiensis or Red Deer Cave man were found in Africa, by the published definitions over many decades, they would have to be anatomically modern humans, which they obviously are not.
The attempt has been made to put a patch on the definitions by claiming Asiatic humans are some way freak dead end lineages, but this does not work anatomically, and there has never been any good evidence for any of these types of proposals. In fact, most such literature, at this time, might as well be thrown in the trash as it was wasted effort and money, as demonstrated by subsequent professional publications. EVERY known genome for the genus Homo has turned out to be directly ancestral to us, in complete violation of Out of Africa as it was before these finds by geneticists. The burden of proof now correctly shifts to Out of Africa, to establish that any Homo lineages ever any place were not directly ancestral to us. Especially in light of the fact that "modern" traits used for decades to define the grades of Homo (all except ape sized brain Homo), are not modern or derived traits at all. They are now shown to be PRIMITIVE traits in Asiatic Homo by the fossil record. Fossils can not lie, they only can be misinterpreted under studied or unreported.
This is much too much coincidence to invoke convergence to wish it all will all go away, and the whole dead end lineage freak class of hypothesis is just not working out for them in any form. What it indicates, is that traits thought for decades to define humans over time as derived traits (newly evolved traits in our ancestors), are instead traits which Asiatic humans had already for a VERY long time, and which got into our ancestral morphologies by these ancient Asians mixing with our other African ancestors, with three major visible incursions of Asiatic genes over time as witnesses by the fossil records of Africa and Europe, first for Homo erectus, then Homo sapiens, and finally Homo sapiens sapiens. There is a simple explanation for these mistakes which persist, the fossil record has been very incomplete in Asia, and now we have just a few small windows in Asia of very ancient human ancestors who survived until fairly recent times to give us fairly recent fossils of them. Of course they do not look exactly like their unknown Asiatic ancestors of great antiquity, but close enough to tell us a LOT if we will forget our false dogmas and look at the actual fossil evidence.
It will be a cross between reminiscing about the words, deeds and impact Karno had on others and the Original Culture and a discussion about the Ramindjeri legacy and how it will be protected and honoured through the Culture centre on Karta (Kangaroo Island).
“Christine Walker is the anchor of this cultural space since the passing of her husband not very long ago. Their union represented their envisioning of the concept of Wirritjin they created together. Their love created a space of unity within which the seed of Wirritjin was planted. The seed we wish to nurture for future generations. Indeed, Spirit knows no colour.
Christine has been an integral part of the Dreaming of Wirritjin, the vision of the Wulde Waiirri Murray Lagoon Sanctury on Kangaroo Island and the planning of the Ramindjeri Cultural Centre. She is also on the Ramindjeri Council monitoring Ancestral Lands and documents men's and women's ceremonial sites. She is overseeing this community development project to preserve the Ramindjeri culture for posterity and to keep the spirit of Wirritjin alive.
Unbulara (Viv Greenshields) was Karno's Aunty and also his Elder. Unbulara is also a respected Elder of the Ramindjeri people and is Chair of the Ramindjeri Heritage Association. She touches on the impact the Indigenous Land Corporation (ILC) has had on the Ramindjeri case and shares Karno's passion and strength in her story.” Louise Clarke.
Wirritjin Stephen Robertson and Curt Yalpo Mountain have been working with Karno for some considerable time on many cultural and historical matters. Both were given a full three day ceremony and were chosen to carry on the work Karno was involved in. Their role combined is to maintain the Ramindjeri legacy Karno so fiercely defended. Ceremony, magic, Old Way sensibilities and the real truth regarding the Original path are but some of their concerns and inspiration.
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For anybody that has been exploring the revised understanding of human origins and has already read 'Out of Australia' but is hungry for more information on the subject area - please consider taking a look at my detailed analysis of human evolution from 5 million years ago up until 20,000 years ago - proving en-route that Africa was colonised from Australasia (at least three times). Read the reviews, take a look at the Foreword from Graham Hancock, and then dive right in! ... See MoreSee Less
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New DNA data has overturned the understanding that modern humans and Neanderthals diverged a little over 550,000 years ago. It is now apparent that Neanderthals and Denisovans diverged from their shar...
Please EVERYBODY we need your help to build this campaign. There are Aboriginal sites and scatterings throughout this site that wil be destroyed if this project goes ahead. This is the next BIG fight - Incinerating waste for energy. It's toxic to health, air, water and environment and will effect everyone in Sydney as the toxic emissions plume can travel a radius of 40km around the Incinerator site at Eastern Creek. Please support our community by liking our page and getting informed. We need your help and we need it now. Thanks so much <3 ... See MoreSee Less
In Eastern Europe trash is burned for heat in large apartment buildings. You dump the trash down a metal shoot into a metal holding area which is then sometimes set on fire. This causes a lot of air pollution, which in turn causes a lot of health problems. Under such conditions I was sick most of the winter, though usually able to work. If there is enough labor (in the US it is done mostly by prisoners who are paid very little), it is more environmentally efficient to sort out the paper metal glass and plastics and recycle them. Many places including some in the US people are supposed to sort their trash for recycling.
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ANYONE who andorses (would-be) "Queen" Jingki is entirely out of step with proper law/lore and culture.
She is NOT the "Queen" of this continent - maybe "Queen" of her own mob, but CERTAINLY not my mob.
ANYONE who endorses "queen" Jingki is entirely out of step with Lore and culture.......a fool who claims to be the "queen" over this continent.
Mark McMurtrie Take your responses on issue's you have with other activists elsewhere! This is not about yours or others internal politics. This is about the webinar on telling the truth of our people and with the help of all our mob across the country. We did not come from Africa! If you believe that then you are not fully in touch with tradition/lore. You are being handed your thoughts and information straight from the ignorant white man's head. Who already has idiots out there making claims like we came from Africa years ago and wiped out the pygmies. That the Indians wiped out the original people in the U.S and that the Ancient Egyptians where white! Even groups like the KKK are promoting false information. Anyone can attend the webinar. Who cares if Kerri Anne is attending.I would say the same to her if she said something about you attending! And so I guess your saying the other people attending from around the country don't know what they are talking about either. Only you and your mob. Wake up!
These places should be run by The Traditional Owners who receive any Profits from Tourists and they should only be seen by tourists who truly respect them.
What is the proper term that the Original People respect?
An example of a correct reference would be the 'artwork of the ancient Ngarluma people'.
You never see anybody say that art at Aswan is that of the traditional Egyptian/Aswan custodians. This is a silly invention that only is used in Aus to clarify that most of the land on which the art is has since been stolen by the ancestors of those describing it.
<With over 50 diverse events on offer, it is a great opportunity for you to come and see the sorts of problems we are working on, the connections we have with international researchers and to learn about the cutting- edge facilities we have here.
This year's featured researcher is Professor Jo McDonald, Director Centre for Rock Art Research + Management. During Research Week we will be highlighting her and her team's research in Aboriginal rock art in the Dampier Archipelago in a number of activities in the program.
The week will kick off on Monday 4 September with events in the Research Week marquee, located on Great Court. We are excited to welcome Elders and rangers from the Murujuga Aboriginal Corporation who will be performing and discussing Dreamtime stories. As well, we will be joined by Noongar Radio’s 2 Norty Broz who will be broadcasting live from the marquee.>
UWA Research Week 2017Sep 4, 9:00amThe University of Western AustraliaVisit UWA from 4 - 8 September for UWA Research Week when we showcase UWA research and its impact on local and global communities.
With over 50 diverse events on offer, it is a great opportunity for you to come and see the sorts of problems we are working on, the connections we have with international researchers and to learn about the cutting- edge facilities we have here.
This year's featured researcher is Professor Jo McDonald, Director Centre for Rock Art Research + Management. During Research Week we will be highlighting her and her team's research in Aboriginal rock art in the Dampier Archipelago in a number of activities in the program.
The week will kick off on Monday 4 September with events in the Research Week marquee, located on Great Court. We are excited to welcome Elders and rangers from the Murujuga Aboriginal Corporation who will be performing and discussing Dreamtime stories. As well, we will be joined by Noongar Radio’s 2 Norty Broz who will be broadcasting live from the marquee.
Be part of the live audience and enjoy the atmosphere in what will be a mammoth week of events.
The experiment with the «Wands of Ra» and the aura on VIDEO. (ENGLISH VERSION). www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mjwJZ4lWmg&t=35s Research topic: the influence of the "Wands of Ra" exposed in the pyramid on the energetical and physical structure of the human body. Gas Discharge Visualization (GDV) is the computer recording and analysis of luminescence induced by biological objects when stimulated by an electromagnetic field with amplification in a gas discharge. On the basis of the GDV method, a group of scientists headed by Professor KG Korotkov (ITMO, St. Petersburg) the GDV Camera device was developed. GDV auracamera was clinically tested, entered in the state register of medical equipment and certified by the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation.Research topic: the influence of the "Wands of Ra" exposed in the pyramid on the energetical and physical structure of the human body. ►Wands of RA website -... ... See MoreSee Less
Bininj rangers have rediscovered tens of thousands of painted images in Arnhem Land. They include images of ancient songlines 'mythical' ancestor figures and the documentation of 'first contact' with...
with all this global conciousness awakenning and openning of indigenous knowledge to the world etc.. it doesnt surprise me amazing discoveries like this are coming to light... exciting times. 🙂
I do not think these have been chalked. Rock art should not be chalked, many rock art sites were damaged by chalking by anthropologists and their students up into the 1980's in the Americas. Chalk as it turns out is very persistent (which they might have guesses as it is not biodegradable). Could be the original artists were using chalk in this case.
we concur and never ever chalk out sites, even rock engravings
In my youth (in 1988) I visited a lot of remote rock art in Baja California (not so far to walk, but sometimes dangerous to walk to them or we viewed them from distance). I had to grab a companion as he fell of the side of a high cliff losing his footing. Some which were easier to get to had been chalked, otherwise there was very little vandalism at that time, and some of that was 200 to 400 years old so of interest (there was a padre riding a burro with a sombrero, I expect it may have been the first Westerner seen by the artist). It was obviously chalked by university people (as they were trained to do it), and sometimes with careful examination their interpretations of the original art was incorrect. Some of this was very fresh, as in less than five years old at the time.
Iv seen the evidence of university raiding sacred sites in australia including removing bones in burial sites, its so dissapointing that of all people to desecrate or vandalise sacred sites its often university students studying aboriginal culture or related degrees...
In America in my life time graves were excavated to train students, and it was legal if they were not christian. Now grave robbing is illegal the human remains belong to the people who they are ancestors of, not matter how old.
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A sacred site, known as Murujuga, is home to the world’s largest collection of rock art but is under threat from the mining industry. This award-nominated documentary highlights the battle undertaken by the people of Western Australia’s Pilbara region to protect the Burrup Peninsula. #ConnectionToCountry airs Sunday, 6 August at 8.30pm on @NITV & 9.30pm on @SBS Australia. #YouAreHere www.facebook.com/NITVAustralia/videos/vb.91116257004/10154859670672005/?type=2&theater
NITV A sacred site, known as Murujuga, is home to the world’s largest collection of rock art but is under threat from the mining industry. This award-nominated documentary highlights the battle undertaken by the people of Western Australia’s Pilbara region to protect the Burrup Peneinsula. #ConnectionToCountry airs Sunday, 6 August at 8.30pm on NITV & 9.30pm on SBS Australia. #YouAreHere ... See MoreSee Less
The discovery of a grounded and polished stone-axe, dated to be no less than 65,000 years old certainly upset mainstream narratives and numbers. A report on the archaeology published in the Sydney Morning Herald (July 20, 2017 pages 1 and 2) compiled by Tony Wright focused on the unexpected repercussions of this research, conceding that “Aboriginal people have lived in Australia for a minimum of 65,000 years … 18,000 years longer than had been proved previously and at least 5,000 years longer than had been speculated by the most optimistic researchers.”.........
Despite the shortcomings and endemic narrow focus there is one aspect of this research that is one small step in the right direction, as it is now agreed that the “archaeologists will have to recalibrate previous assumptions about the journey out of Africa.”(6) Granted they are still attached to the mistaken idea modern humans originated in Africa, but as the arrival date was 40,000 years, then 50,000 years, recently overtaken by 60,000 years and now we have no less than another 5,000 years to add on top of this ever-expanding algorism, it is becomes increasingly difficult to believe these numbers will not change again.
Archaeology/Astronomy A 65,000 Year old axe: Over to you Jim Bowler A 65,000 Year old axe: Over to you Jim Bowler By Steven & Evan Strong The discovery of a grounded and polished stone-axe, dated to b...
I like the star markers on the rock itself!
Jim Bowler must be hiding in a cave right now, or wishing he was...
Yes of course Evan and Steve, some of my ancestors were here before the migration out of Africa, in fact they were here for hundreds of thousands of years, and I know exactly where they came from and how they got here...
A summary 1. What all humans are today, comes from many events of different races of "archaic" humans meeting and mixing. Even mixing with apes, though the only genetic proof of this is that we mixed with chimps about 4 million years ago. So we are what is called a mosaic, a mixture of features of many peoples and apes over millions of years of time. Chinese paleoanthropologists have long been the strongest for the multiregional hypothesis, to show that features of Homo erectus in China still can be seen today more in Asian people than other races. I can see features in living humans, which define our living races (through small amounts of genes from apes, and much larger amounts from our local ancestors who were archaic humans), coming from many extinct races of archaic and modern humans, and many types of apes also. When Gigantopithecines (some of them our size, others were giants the largest apes we know about ever to live), were first moved in an article from being a type of human to a type of ape, the article touched upon this. Their dental features are more common today in areas they are known to have lived than in other places such as Europe or Africa. "Out of Africa" is incorrect, first they said we only come from Africa 60,000 years ago, now they say we have tiny bit of genes from three types of archaic humans from outside of Africa, this is still completely wrong. We do come some from Africa in the last 60,000 to 200,000 years, but we are also made up of many other peoples, many of whom never visited Africa. 2. Asian peoples before Homo sapiens can be distinguished from African peoples by certain sets of diagnostic character states. This goes all the way back into all Asiatic apes for the high vault of the Asiatic head, versus the flat topped head and strongly projecting eye brow ridges for African apes and humans. Before Homo erectus, all Asian Homo and apes, and all African Homo and apes, can be identified as to where they lived just by these features alone. Another distinguishing feature over time is the upper first molar. It is much smaller in all known Asiatic archaic humans relative to the other teeth than in all known African archaic humans. 3. Beginning with Homo erectus, there was a increased between peoples of Asia (which includes Europe and Australia), and Africa. As the fossil record now shows us, Asiatic archaic humans have even smaller M1 relative to the other teeth than we do. What that tells us, is that the M1 getting smaller was not by evolution in pure African humans, it was from mixing of African humans with Asian humans. So three times in our ancestry we were hybrids of African and Asian humans. The last mixing was from Asiatic archaic humans invading Africa about 200,000 years ago, and mixing with local people to yield anatomically modern humans (all of us living today). 4. Scientists for decades have identified the three "evolutionary stages" in Homo from the basal Homo by the relative size of the M1 to the other teeth. The three evolutionary "jumps" instead represent hybridization events between African and Asian humans. Travel by rivers and sea and the ability to live in and cross cold deserts greatly enhanced gene flow between Africa and Asia from Homo erectus forward. So from this time we begin to see a lot of African features in Asia, and a lot of Asian features in Africa. Scientists have proposed that the high domed head of living humans is a recent derived feature, which evolved from Africans. Instead the fossil record now shows us this is an Asiatic feature shared by all Asiatic apes, and known Asiatic Homo before African Homo erectus entered, and some neandertals and all living humans. Red Deer Cave Man being the "missing link" between high domed ape sized brain Homo and Homo sapiens with intermediate cranial capacity. African brow ridges for apes and humans project out, Asian fossil humans, Asian apes, all living humans, and some neandertal did not (or do not) have either the projecting brow ridges or the flat topped heads. Today our hips and legs come from African heritage, the main features of our heads and teeth come from Asiatic heritage.The origin of Homo being fully bipedal Asiatic brachiators something like gibbons in locomotion, which migragted into Asia and there radiated. ... See MoreSee Less
Why do you have to spoil it by repetedly stressing interbreeding with apes? That's science fiction and makes your text look cheap. Please revise it.
It has already been proven scientifically our distant direct ancestors interbred with chimps, and that living humans have chimp gene sequences and chimps have human gene sequences. Nor is it disputed that we are in fact apes (in science), so all breeding of humans is with apes, apes with apes. What I am pointing out is that there is considerable fossil evidence, that humans are a mosaic of different apes, not just one lineage from some unknown ape mixing with only one ape in the last 6 million years (chimps).
I am proposing the breeding with apes all took place at the time of or earlier than it has been proven we mixed with chimps around 4 million years ago (4-8 million years ago). Sorry if mixing with apes offends anyone, but for mixing with the human line with chimps around 4 million years ago, this is not disputed among scientists at this time.
There is no genetic proof for mixing with extinct apes as there are no genetic samples for extinct apes known now. We can only go by morphology (compare for example the Lufengpithecus cranium, only one known, with the cranium of Homo floresiensis, much more similar than to any ape known from Africa). And for living apes, the evidence is in fact that they keep interbreeding for at least about a million years after initial divergences (see this references below), for within chimps. For the human lineage, the evidence points to more on the order of around 2 or more million years with divergences from living apes. pgl.soe.ucsc.edu/cahill_philTrans16.pdf
Sure, the other day an article claiming such a mosaic evolurion of hominins came out. But, dear Alen, chimps only share with us a common ancestry, and that's something else. Our ancestors, in the early stages, during speciation, might have interbred with the ancestors of chimps, no worries. But, 4 my ago there were no chimps around, only hominids that would evolve to chimps. I went to bed last night feeling like a hanky panky with a Homo erectus lady... None of 'em left...
George, I am multilingual and have limited ability in languages such as "genetics" and German. But I only understand, but do not speak, Australian. I can speak the English of India some. So we can have linguistic confusion about what an ape is. For me honestly chimps gorillas and Lufengpithecus are people also, but not gibbons or monkeys. Here I have written an essay about this and Native American apes known by our people for thousands of years, the tzetzeguyape which still live in their hundreds near my wifes home town in Central America. www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=306712023126657&id=100013635852716
No doubt about that, we are apes. Mad apes. The LCA of chimps and hominins is definitively an ape, but less apish than, say a chimp. Gorillas and sapients are both the outcome of evolutionary processes, biological, or cultural. But, by the time chimps speciated, there was already a genetic barrier between them and archaic hominins. Your Central American erectus belongs to the latter. The only Out of Africa event was approximately 1.9 mya. I'm an outspoken advocate of multiregional evolution, of an early origin of cognitive modernity, etc. Basically, my critic was not of what you say but, of how you say it. We're threading on thin ice here, so we must stay precise and cautious. Otherwise, we may easily discredit the work of those who dare challenging the prevalent orthodoxies.
Anyway, I like your 'essay.' You see, 20 years ago, the SE Asian tales about the Orang Pendek were ridiculized. After Hobbit was unearthed, the question is not if the Orang Pendek exists but, when will it be contacted? There's absolutely no reason to doubt that isolated groups of pygmy erectus are our contemporaries. The same goes for Central and NE Asia, the Rockies, and Central America. You know what I'm talking about.
Thank you for your detailed reply Alan VanArsdale, without it I would've never learnt about our Central American cousins.
I believe the LCA for chimps and humans, for which it is accepted in the literature at this time is unknown, was much more human like than chimp like. There is generally a genetic barrier present upon initial divergence, such as with Pan troglodytes and bonobos, it is usually some physical barrier such as the Congo River. Yet we now know they were crossing it and mixing in a big way for at least a million years. And there are gene sequences in us which for sure developed in protochimps long after we were mostly genetically isolated from them. Protochimps are neartly unknown also in the fossil record. This along with the six million year gap in the fossil record or Orangs casts doubts that anyone can know where the unknown ancestral group(s) for Homo were geographically.
At least we agree on one thing, namely: we do not descend from monkeys (a creationist's nightmare) but, opposite 😉
I've just read your piece on the San. If I were you, I'd delete it.
The picture has no connection to the actual discovery, but I would say the eyes are photoshop.
bad job on adobe photoshop DNA (same eye in both sides...) huhhh
MY new race by adobe photoshop DNA
Yeah our teen girl does this to peeps eyes.
yes is a shame the eyes are shopped, publisher is no doubt trying to link the DNA mystery with indigo child/star child, would be nice to get more feedback however about this possible 3rd genetic line...
There have been multiple upright walking, tool making, fire using, artistic, cultural hominoids wandering around on this planet since we genetically split from apes... the real question and hard to believe possibility is that we are supposed to believe there is ONLY ONE SPECIES NOW.
yes, absolutely, i think they are pretty sure there are two other homid lines we interbred with in asia. Human evolution is a minefield, I gave up trying to understand it in the 80's as it changed faster than your socks, no continious logic...now,,,,,, its even MORE complex with the ability to read DNA
and i believe more complexity will come...
its scary actually...and exciting... way more complex than I ever imagined in the 60's and 70's
we desrve to know the truth of our origins.
I and others independently of myself speculated on face book the unknown could have been Homo floresiensis. This is of special interest as this appears to be mixing with non African archaic humans.
I would suggest it's a phony news article. The list of far-fetched headlines down the right side of the page is pretty unbelievable
Fakery. There no such thing only BULLSHIT from dickheads stirring up yhe pot of lies of the western society.
yep - came from a fake news site
Anyone with sustained bipedalism and more than 8 about feet tall would no longer be classified as an anatomically modern human, or they would have to have undergone some major changes in their osteological structure for such a thing. All known anatomically modern humans that have grown that large were unable to walk, or at least only very poorly. The larger branches of Gigantopithecus are known mostly just from teeth, without enough bones to say if they were quadrupeds or bipeds. It may be the females were bipeds and the males usually walked on their fists knuckles or palms in addition to their feet. If the largest males were sustained bipeds, then they would have to have had very thick leg bones to support their weight (there is a lot of debate about how much they weighed, at least 800 pounds I think, possibly much more). That is sustained bipeds in Homo or apes would have to have very thick leg bones and would not have proportions looking much like us. So illustrations and fake fossil human or ape giants with our proportions are fantasies not real, unless they were quadrupeds not bipeds. They would have also needed disproportionately large feet.
naaa, its a con for sure..
Thought it was
18 foot Giants have been seen in Afghanistan. Alaska and Montana so why not central Australia.
Juzt likd there is no kanaroos or koalas in Afghanistan or any where else doesn't mean to say there were giants in australia. The tribes here never have any such thing in their stories.
Some of the Native American stories of giants in the South of South America it is thought describe giant ground sloths. They got really big, and lived up until about 10,000 years ago, much bigger than any person can get and still walk on two legs as they did. And arrows would in fact as reported bounce off of them, as they had dermal bones. I have trouble finding much in the way of reliable reports of giant humans or apes in the Americas South of Central America. There were some big people, maybe as big as 8 feet tall, but reports of people bigger than 8 feet tall do not seem reliable. The sloths walked upright on two legs and weighed as much as 2000 pounds. They would have been able to tear a man apart with their claws.
The yowie I seen stood in about 8ft
If their was mega fauna there was possible mega humans???
So far as I am aware there are no human or ape remains in Australia more than 50,000 years old. Yet it appears there have been fire users for about 160,000 years. We do not know what sort of humans or apes lived in Australia, or if any may have survived. It would be expected any unknown giant humans or apes would have to have a lot of trees around, and be far from technological humans, on the order of 15 miles from the nearest house or road. Since new apes have recently been found in the Congo (bonobos and giant chimps), there is still hope some may be documented other places as well.
What would the local descendants of the makers want you to do? The law? What do you think is right? I do not think there is any harm in taking photos in any case. But artifacts should not be moved around.
I suppose it's hard to know Alan. I tried to work on a list of artefacts taken from Australia and held in a UK museum with very little information about their origin. I'm found that there are so many protocols about men and women's business, who can even look at an item, who can touch it, where it originates from etc. Most Aboriginal people I have tried to engage with to get more information won't even look at the images for fear of getting sick because they weren't the traditional owners of the object and don't have the permissions granted which means bad news. It's a tricky process. I think if I found an object I would leave it and contact a local elder to inform them that I had been there. I'd be tempted to take pictures but I'd also be reluctant based on what I've experienced.
The article doesn't mention the Chinese, Incans and others who remnnants are also here. There were also some African remnants found on Fraser Island. It was assumed that they sailed here also.
Trade ship went down between aus and png
Like all the other ancient empires they came to trade. It wasn't untill the dutch east indies acquired Ferdinand Magellans maps in the 1500s is when BRITISH PRIVATEERS STOLE th Dutch maps and "Discovered" and claimed the Land of The Holy Spirit for BRITAIN and told the world NO ONE WAS HOME. Now we have PIRATES on land or privateers. ....or whatever.
Coin hoards are good evidence, but can be transported after their manufacture. There have been Roman bronze coin hoards found on the Eastern US Sea Board (and a lot of isolated coins). Some of them were sold to the colonies for use as small change. None are reliably dated before 1492 to the Americas that I am aware. One would think that Arabs made it to Australia on occasion, at least blown off of course by storms.
Stanford Scientists have discovered that as humans migrated into regions with a colder climate, a single-letter DNA switch, from a G to an A, helped humans tolerate frigid temperatures. A deeper analysis of the Stanford University research data suggests that this happened first in Australasia – not during an Out of Africa migration as claimed by the researchers. ... See MoreSee Less
True or false? were other indigenous people across the world at that time practicing astronomy? Philosophy means love of wisdom and to find wisdom we use Truth- Bearers to determine a statement in modern linguistics. Read more ...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth-bearer
Which came first, the Chichen Itza or the (Emu) egg ?
We know that astronomy didn't start with the Greeks, or the earlier Egyptians or even the Mesopotamian., we now look to Gobleki Tepi in Turkey for indications of astronomical knowledge over 12500 years ago. In the case of the chicken and the egg, it is clear that the stars were there first before their regular movements in relation to the seasons,months, weeks and days were noticed and used by human beings on this planet to keep time..
How does a culture thousands of years free of any interference know how to conduct day surgery on someones organs? or that whale fat was good for arthritis in old people? and stories about how the sun got to be in the sky?
That is the point about truth bearers in philosophy, the truth bearer in the following statement could be either false or true, with the proposition and predicate " free of interference for thousands of years". Where is the proof for satisfaction that the statement about that particular culture is true? It seems a more likely proposition, as we rediscover that there was an cataclysmic earth change at the end of the last ice age and that the survivors descendants inherited fragments of useful knowledge which we discover in archaeological evidence in our time.
Every Continent inhabited by Homo sapiens has high phenotype diversity and has long been inhabited by multiple races of people. Australia is not an exception, like every other place, people have been coming and going for a long time. There is no evidence any place that people living in some place today (unless recent immigrants, as in the last 500 years), are not significantly directly descended from all people who lived in the same spot, ever. The only exception is places which became completely covered by ice, and later the ice retreated. Every known genome of Homo, and Pan (chimps) as well, made contributions to the genes of all living humans. We know this to be true for all Africans, as there is ample genetic evidence they have long been taking in genes from Europe and Asia. For example, the recent publication of an ancient San boy genome (2000 years old), demonstrates the modern San relative to this San boy 2000 years ago are well mixed genetically outside of Africa. Estimates as low as 3% for genetic contributions are suspect a being low due to the likely presence of genes in both populations thought to be from LCA's but actually being from gene flow events. A clear understanding of the evidence demonstrates that the multiregional hypothesis is supported, and that notions of racial purity and long periods of genetic isolation any place are in all cases in error. Humans today are very closely genetically related, because we have long been mixing, and sea faring was advanced at least 160,000 meaning that oceans were not the genetic barriers they once were thought to be. However phenotype variations are supported to be very ancient and contributing to racial distinctions very far back into time in any place. Originals in Australia of any type at any time if a genetic profile for them is known, can be identified as from Australia and more closely related to people of that continent by genes than any other continent, unless they have immigrated less than 1000 years before the sample is collected.We do not know when anatomically modern humans were first in Australia. However, the evidence of human presence goes back at least 160,000 years (the same tine when we know from Homo erectus period sites remote ocean Islands were visited), and there is no evidence anyone ever living in Australia was not significantly a genetic ancestor of all originals. Physical character states are often maintained as adaptation to local environments, at the same time there is always gene flow between populations. ... See MoreSee Less
Genetic studies indicate the San diverged from Black Africans about 200,000 years ago. Notions that peoples in South Africa more than 70,000 years ago are ancestral to the San are fanciful in my opinion based upon morphology (leaps of faith based upon genetic study conclusions upon living peoples only). In South Africa on the Coast, 70,000 years ago a new culture came in. Claims people before that time were anatomically modern humans have recently been challenged by professionals, based upon morphology (no genetic evidence is available). This requires placing the geographic origins or black Africans and / or the San outside of Africa (IMO).
In South Africa, 70,000 years ago was a maximum of extent to the North of the Antarctic Ice sheets. It is hard to take penguin from the land side, their strong use as food indicates people there were taking them from the sea side. So South America, Australia and Africa were connected by pack Icea upon which rich marine resoures were present with people in South Africa able to exploit those resources by boat (as the archaeological evidence shows). These same people very well could have been exploiting marine resources along the Ice pack from South Africa to South America 70,000 years ago, it would not be expected any archaeological record of this would exist except on the three continents the Ice was in contact with at that time. Such a people would be expected to generally stay close to shore both on land on and the Ice, and there is no archaeological underwater record that would have picked them up yet.
Extant original Australians have since 70,000 years ago had other genetic / morphologiucal influxes, and Australian sea peoples of 70,000 years ago are mostly covered by water now as every place else. So Australian Sea People or "Antarctic eskimos" of 70,000 years ago might be expected to look more SE Asian than extant Australians, and the San look SE Asian relative to extant Australians. Morphology changes quickly under selective pressures, both to adapt to cold and coming back into heat from cold (for originals of Australia and San the latter). Cold adaptations include small nasal passages, ability to consume a lot of calories mainly animal fat for marine resources, resistance to heart attack, ability to function in small family groups, short limbs, stocky body shape, lowered amount of body hair, relatively high body fat content.
The San and the first South Americans being "Antarctic eskimos" of around 70,000 years ago fits both the genetic and archaeological evidence well. This may have been missed by workers in the far South as they have little understanding of the far North, the only place there are records of Ice Pack skin boat peoples. This also would explain why the San appear to Western eyes most like very distantly genetically related extant Australians and to their own eyes most like SE Asians. ... See MoreSee Less
The Quaternary glaciation, also known as the Pleistocene glaciation or the current ice age, is a series of glacial events separated by interglacial events during the Quaternary period from 2.58 Ma (mi...
There being three separate lineages of humanity in Africa, with pygmy divergence around 50,000 years ago and San divergence around 100,000 years ago does not suggest "Out of Africa" for anatomically modern humans. What this suggests most, with understanding the fossil record is still incomplete / misinterpreted, is Africa as a refugium for anatomically modern humans. See the above quote, that humans have been structured for a long time and may have emerged from a non-homogeneous group.
IF anatomically modern humans all came from South of the Sahara (with three revisions to this already, denisovans neandertals and an unknown group in living human genomes), this is NOT what would be expected. They would have had substantial gene flow between groups back to their origins, and would not have developed separate genomes and cultures enough unlike each other to retain very distinct cultural morphological and genetic for the last 50,000 and 100,000 years. They would have started the same, and stayed nearly the same over time. They would never have become different enough from each other to have such different styles of living and genetics.
What appears most likely to me, based upon the evidence, is this. Black Africans have been centered around the Sahara from their origins around 100,000 years ago. They at times were up into Europe and East into Asia as far as India, and are at their further extent South in Africa today ever. Even today there are a few people in Southern India who appear to be some type of Black African. Not to confuse their phenotype (how they look), with their genotype, the genotype not being an indication so much of how people look, as of who they are mixing with genetically over time. The phenotype can be maintained even as the original genotype is lost to geneticists, especially when there is selective environmental pressure to maintain the phenotype (as is especially the case with pygmies being tropical forest dwellers and well adapted to this morphologically).
The pygmy people, are of SE Asiatic origins. They did not ever go extinct in SE Asia, but 74,000 years ago they were nearly extinct outside of South of the Sahara. They used to be a sea faring and marine resource people in addition to a forest people, but now only survive pressures from other humans in dense forests. If they had went extinct, they would not now be classified as anatomically modern humans. Their range once was from the West Coast of North America, along the East and Southern Coast of Asia, down into Central Africa and up the West Coast of Europe. This range is supported by the fossil and historical record.
The San began to diversify from other original Australians around 80,000 to 100,000 years ago as a Coastal and sea faring people. Their range once was from SW China down into SE Asia, the Coastal areas of Sahal (especially Australia), the Ice packs of Antarctic in colder periods when these Ice Packs were touching Australia South America and South Africa, and migrating into South Africa along the Antarctic Ice Pack about 70,000 years ago and expanding North into Africa but not past the Sahara.
These geographic origins would give each group of people enough geographic isolation from each other to reduce gene flow enough for them to become the genetically and morphologically distinct people geneticists pick up in Africa after their diverse origins. Such origins are supported by the physical non genetic record and study of extant peoples. Genetic studies have no basis in physical appearance, and interpretations of geneticists are based upon problematical interpretations of the physical non genetic record, which have been requiring numerous revisions of late and appear well contradicted by the fossil and archaeological record (and more and more genetic studies contradict out of Africa conclusions as well).
There is no evidence refuting that two of the three major groups classified by geneticists as of "African" origins. An opinion which is requiring more and more revisions and invocations, and ignoring of data, to maintain. Nor is there any magical one way screen between Africa and other places preventing peoples from migrating into Africa after their geographical origins elsewhere. Assuming there is such a magical screen, is likely to lead to errors and support false conclusions based upon the well known fact that the human fossil record is very incomplete as we know it and interpret it.
Alan, as far as I have seen black Negroid Africans did not emerge until fairly recently - the Khoisan ancestors diverged from an unspecified Homo sapiens population. That is all I have seen offered on this and it makes sense.
The origins of the black African race, and why everyone today has so many genes from them is a little complex. Geneticists have failed to do their homework on this, it is actually pretty well understood the nature of the most recent Out of Africa event in the professional literature, but geneticists do not read that part of the professional literature or reference it. Geneticists are lumping a major Out of Africa event which took place from 1100 AD to 1868 AD with more ancient events. And this recent event included gene flow Out of Africa of the San and pygmies also not just Black Africans. By this blunder, they are making ancient events of Out of Africa appear much larger than they in fact were. The recent Out of Africa event did not reach Sahul much, which is why there is for Out of Africa folk a lot of unexplainable genetic data coming out of Sahul. All the rest of the World has had from 4% to 70% influx of African genes in the last 900 years (for ethnic Africans not in Africa 30% to 90%), with the exception of Sahul. Here I go into more detail about why this is true, and already known in the scientific literature but not known by geneticists or paleoanthropologists. www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=303842486746944&id=100013635852716
" If they had went extinct, they would not now be classified as anatomically modern humans." This statement caught my eye...why would they not be classified as anatomically modern humans? Or are these the "Hobbits"?
A Protein Found in the Saliva Samples of Sub-Saharan Africans Offers Evidence that Strongly Contradicts the ‘Out of Africa’ Theory for Human Origins. Scientists from the University of Buffalo stumbled on the genetic marker for an unknown African interbreeding event while researching the evolution of an important mucin protein called MUC7. ... See MoreSee Less
Finally anthropology is starting to get it right 🙂
I know, and many others know, intuitively and genetically, that we are the original human inhabitants of our planet. There may have been an African migratory exodus some 60,000 to 100,000 years ago, but it was definitely not the first. I know because I just know, my father told me, and his grandfather told him, and so on through the thousands of generations that preceded them.
I wrote the article based on the new study results, the scientists that ran the research did not mention the fact that this finding undermines Out of Africa theory - probably worried about losing their jobs.
"Homo alien" is the ghost factor.
Finally the powers that be or should I the western world aka the illumated ones of Babylon the liars who already knows what this, finally found out!! The truth and not just 150,000 years more likr over 1m or more.
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A recent investigation of stone-age rock art at a megalithic construction known as Hendraburnick Quoit, in Cornwall, has revealed that ten times the number of artistic markings are visible when viewed in moonlight or feeble sunlight from the south east. These mysterious markings are now exclusively revealed by Ancient News researchers to be coded star markers. ... See MoreSee Less
The scientists said they did not know what the markings were - I just sent them an e-mail to let them in on it!
Yea for you! I bet it will make their day!!!
Be nice to build some bridges.
Sun=reproduction, Moon=offering. The Pleiades represent the seven daughters of the allfather, who were known as the "Tars". If any of these women became a Disa, stem mother/breeder, she would be known as an STar. Almost certainly the origin of the english word "star". The biggest and brightest of the Pleiades is "Maia" and represents the eldest daughter. She would become Qvena (queen), but representing the moon bore no children.
What evidence would you consider to be viable and solid enough to stand the tests of time to be from a time Before what we call the Mt. Toba eruption?
You may Add an option and vote for more than one ...
lol. I prefer-
A find in Australia hints at very early human exit from Australia!
At the rate new discoveries are made, I wouldn't be surprised if I read that in the 21 March 2019 Morning Post. Patience...
It is getting there!
Headline is wrong - they keep propping up Out of AFrica Theory
Yes. There's no other commonly accepted frame of reference today. You'll see, the artifact that makes the news will be interpreted by mainstream as having its origin in Africa or S Asia and washed up accidentally on the Australian shore...
hey fella you going the wrong way
Seems you didn't get my meaning. Read the reply again, but also to what it was given. Good fella.
Steven & Evan Strong will be on the Orion Rising show, tomorrow 10am AEST, giving an update on the latest developments on the Standing Stones site, as well as discussing some of the marked rocks - some of which have recently been looked at by a German archaeologist. Join the lads for the show, or if you can't, we will share the link to the show once the replay is available!
Aboriginal Australian Artefacts up to 80,000 years old uncovered at the Madjedbebe rock shelter 0 By Bruce R. Fenton on 20th July 2017 Palaeoanthropology Over 11,000 artefacts in Kakadu national park ...
That "Out of Africa" theory is looking wobblier by the minute! B)
Waiting for a mainstream media site to admit that!
well and truly done...its genuine....not really news, was always suspected....
Mainstream media are too busy spreading lies and propaganda that is not supported by this excavation. Every article or news headline I've seen quotes. Aboriginal people colonised or arrived in Australia 65,000 years ago. Also adding they must have left Africa and travelled through Asia much earlier than we thought. They have an agenda to deny Aboriginal Sovereignty and imply we white people ONLY did what they did.
Janine, mine (posted here) is the only article on this discovery that does not attempt to prop up the Out of Africa narrative!
Why do you think the mainstream media goes out of it's way to report this way Bruce?
What is the results of DNA studies of the kakadu locals compared with someone from Tanzania or Kenya?
That's whats been found so far. It may be found that history there is much much older. All history amounts to "What we've found up to now."
I assume this is a solid date? They do not go into details here about the methods etc... It appears humans have been in Australia at least about 160,000 years. Placing anatomically modern humans any place outside of Africa much more than 60,000 years ago would shatter the Out of Africa hypothesis which has anatomically modern humans present only in Africa at 61,000 years ago. If such advanced stone technology as reported was produced by humans which were not anatomically modern, that also would be rather damaging to the Out of Africa hypothesis as in it supposes technological superiority of anatomically modern humans over all other humans. About the only way they can try to wiggle out of this one, is to say that original Australians are not anatomically modern humans. This does not however predate the arrival of San like people in South Africa, at about 70,000 years ago. They came in with much more advance stone tools than people there just before them. Notions that pre San people in South Africa are anatomically ancestral to the San has been under heavy fire in the literature, it appears pre San people in South Africa are not anatomically modern humans.
So now they have confirmed the worlds oldest stone axe, when are they going to dispense with the Out of Africa theory?
is a positive development, maybe one day the authorities will actually have to respect sacred places instead of mining them, and respect originee communities instead of displacing them. The aussie govt doesnt respect the koala and their in danger even tho their the most recognisable symbol of australia, so Im dubious however the more is openned about the importance of true australian history to the world the better.
Link doesnt work properly for me..wont scroll
"first major maritime migration in the world" PRE 65K fries the first out-of-Africa scenario to centralise Boab/Baobab science