He is the winner of the inaugural 2017 Hadley’s Art prize - the world’s richest landscape art prize valued at $100,000.
“This is my story about that creek at Fregon, I was born there. Back then we lived in the bush, slept in the warm sand and we lived on the bush tucker. That place is where it all started, that was my home. I love this country, it has watched us Anangu (people) for many years, it is wise country.” - Mungkuri on his artwork Ngura Wiru (Good Country) ... See MoreSee Less
There is a lot of speculation about Asiatic origins from Homo, but same as Africa, not a lot of fossil evidence for this. It has been proposed (in the professional literature), Lufengpithecus might be ancestral to Homo, an Asiatic ape that was fully bipedal, and has Oldowan grade tool association, millions of years before any African ape is known to be bipedal. Myself I think Homo hybridized with Lufengpithecus in Asia, art about the same time genetic evidence indicates Chimps hybridized with Homo (presumably in Africa).
Decades ago gigantopithecines were considered to be Homo or near Homo. There are a few bones known from them since they were removed as our new relatives thanks to politics more than anything. Their removal as close relatives of Homo is political, not based upon morphology, they came to be thought to be too old and in the wrong place to be closely related to Homo or be a form of Homo. Dental morphological analysis, other than to evaluate things like age of the individual and diet, has been a dying art under pressure from cladistics which suddenly needs things like facial fossae and complete skulls and throws out most of the rest (a problem science did not have before). But do we really have this luxury to ignore important evidence because it might be tainted by factors such as convergent evolution? We need to work with what we have, not just what current science has the ability to evaluate well without a lot of uncertainty (bad for getting grants to be uncertain, and can harm ones career if you guess wrong, especially against prevailing opinions).
The fossil evidence now directs us to look farther back into time than has been thought in recent decades, and in places other than Africa,for the origins of Homo. Are these origins hidden from us, or partly before our eyes, now that it is understood by professionals there are no ancestral forms to Homo in Africa (the sun of Australopithecus has set). So gigantopithecus needs to be revisited in the light of new fossil evidence, as potentially being Homo or a close relative of Homo, and the possibility gorillas are after all a type of gigantopithecine and of Asiatic origins. We should not let the modern literature confuse us too much, we should look at the fossils, with an open mind that not all things which contradict current opinions of professionals is correctly refuted by invoking convergent evolution in teeth. Could well be convergence, or maybe not, lets look at the known fossils of gigantopithecines and compare them to early examples of what is now thought to be in the genus Homo, and late surviving archaic members of Homo which might retain shared primitive dental morphological traits with gigantopithecines. ... See MoreSee Less
Four Bees: Archaeology In and Around Gosford By Steven & Evan William Strong
All four sites under consideration are found in the Gosford/Blue Mountains area, to be any more specific unless the site is well known achieves no purpose beyond making it a target for vandals and those who wish to hide the past. The information to be presented spans six years, beginning with some incredibly important historical facts found within some Original wisdom that was filmed and recorded by the Ancient Aliens’ crew barely a year ago, but was lost on the editor’s floor. The other three are older, but were never fully understood at the time and with the gathering of so much more knowledge and rocks, deserve an up-date and the chance to be put into proper context. The four sites to be discussed were chosen for two reasons, each challenges fundamental historical assumptions that is not just local but global, but more importantly, they pay homage to the very beginning of a hybrid between one type of hominid residing in Australia and beings from a distant constellation. Secondly, even if by one degree of separation, all sites share a connection to the letter B........
Archaeology/Astronomy Four Bees: Archaeology in and Around Gosford Four Bees: Archaeology in and Around Gosford By Steven & Evan Strong Warning: This Article mentions the Name of a Deceased Australia ...
Can't wait to watch this one. 😍The official poster for Westwind: Djalu's Legacy has arrived just in time for the World Premiere at Melbourne International Film Festival on August 9. Help us share it with the world and let us know what you think! ... See MoreSee Less
There are at least 2 polygonal walls in Gympie. One is supposed to have been constructed from stones taken by ex servicemen from the Pyramid site and used to build the retaining wall around the church in the centre of Gympie. There is another inside the primary school grounds.
I live very close to gympie and have always wondered about the real gympie pyramid site.
I do a lot of walking through the forestries here and have come across a few mines but nothing I would consider ancient (yet).
A stone that bears the image of an aborigine - the people really are embedded in their land. Indigenous people call rocks the 'grandfathers and grandmothers, and they hold the wisdom of time - none more so than in this stone.
I also unearthed this one - Although this article proposes connections from overseas, which there are, including Egyptian - I believe it does not refer to the site now known as the Gosford Glyphs. The GG contains obvious Egyptian style Hieroglyphics - Vogan was well versed in Rock art and given that by the date of the article Egypto-mania was already in full swing with the discovery of Tutankhamen's tomb some 10 years prior he would certainly have known actual Hieroglyphics style and was probably already versed before that. There are however around Bambara and Woy Woy other indicators - especially of the Sun worshippers mentioned. Unfortunately this is not proof of the glyphs total or partial authenticity and does not predate all the most well trodden debunking article dates given - however much I wish it did.
I found it on a map from 1912 I will try and dig it up .It actually mentions it to be a burial site . Go figure ..
I'm packing to move ATM .
Higherside Chats: Steven Strong | Out Of Australia, Dreamtime, & The Pleiadians
Join host Greg Carlwood of The Higherside Chats podcast as he talks the Out of Australia theory, Dreamtime, and the Pleiades with guest, Steven Strong.
Many alternative researchers, archaeologists and scholars of history have dedicated countless hours pouring over ancient sites and remains in hopes of piecing together humanity’s hidden origins.
And while the secrets of our past still stand shrouded in mystery, researchers like today’s guest, Steven Strong, have spent decades peeling back the layers in an effort to reconstruct the damaged human psyche. And, thanks to his well-established relationships with the Original Elders of Australia and their willingness to share their sacred oral history, we now have a growing body of recently unearthed evidence to help bring the secret knowledge of mankind’s making to the light.
This was another great chat with Robert Bower. Robert Bower is a researcher, musician and usually busier than a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs but I snagged him for a couple hours and we shared some insights. Among other things. We talked about the mummies that were recently brought to light recently in Peru and offered our not so humble opinions for and against. We hope you enjoy our session of "Who's behind the mic". We sure did. ... See MoreSee Less
This was another great chat with Robert Bower.
Robert Bower is a researcher, musician and usually busier than a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs but I snagged him for a couple hours a...
Hi, Next week I am travelling down from Brisbane to Melbourne. I plan on stopping at the Gosford Glyphs and some other sites if I can find some information on them. Looking for recommendations, info or tips on some sites to visit along the way. Plan on spending some time in the Blue Mountains area then driving down the Hume to Melbourne. Thanks✌🏽️ ... See MoreSee Less
The Rogue Researcher "Live" on Revolution Radio's "Who's behind the Mic" at the top of the hour, 6:00 PM Eastern Standard Time. I'll be the Guest Host again with USOKS Researcher Robert Bower where we...
The Gympie pyramid still exists, it has not been totally bulldozed away and if we are to call Gosford a site near Queensland we should also say that it is a short walk from Paris to Moscow. This channel is not good at fact checking, I have already filed a complaint against them for the disinfo video on the Ecuador site I researched, in which they feature my name and image.
If anybody is interested in reading my article in this issue of New Dawn Magazine, you can download the pdf from this link. My piece is titled 'A Global Australian Aboriginal Culture? - The Gobekli Tepe Connection'.
Yung Balug/Dja Dja Wurrung man Jackie Logan in possum skin cloak, Swan Hill, Victoria, circa. 1915.
Photo credit: L. L. Pitts.
Additional notes provided by Ngarra Murray as follows:
"Walpanumin John Logan (born Charlton 1840) was a Dja Dja Wurrung man, father of Herbert Nicholls and Grandfather to Pastor Sir Doug Nicholls. Walpanumin was the son of Lerimburneen or King Billy (c.1830-1865) who died on the Loddon River near Serpentine of the Dja Dja Wurrung/Baraparapa. Lerimburneen was the son of King Girribong (c.1790-1860) of the Dja Dja Wurrung/Baraparapa and Matty of the Wergaia (c1800-1886). The Nicholls Family regards the Boort, Charlton and Donald districts as the heartland of their Dja Dja Wurrung connection to Country."
The recent media coverage of evidence that Neanderthals mated with early Homo sapiens has failed to tell the full story - interbreeding in Europe over 200,000 years ago has no basis in reality. Please watch my new video so as to understand why this is in fact a huge revelation being swept under the carpet.
Bruce R. Fenton The recent media coverage of evidence that Neanderthals mated with early Homo sapiens has deliberately failed to tell the full story so that Out of Africa Theory is not questioned - interbreeding over 200,000 years ago in Europe has no basis in reality. Please watch my new video so as to understand why this is in fact a huge revelation deliberately being swept under the carpet. ... See MoreSee Less
The Hybrid Reptilian Housewife, find her on You Tube, she reveals much.
Nice ancient art that, Andrew. 😀
San. One of the few rock art traditions that are well researched and understood. I hope I had contributed to that, too.
Rock art gives me the feeling it is much misunderstood, it is much more than local graffiti, more than simple scenes. This is a prime example - so many questions...
Looks like typical hunting magic to me. Not so much different than historical Australians, South Americans, and Native peoples of the SW of North America. Part of a rock art culture with common origins in Australia and SE Asia / SW China.
Alan, it looks 'typical' only because we have become used to seeing what we see as a genre of art that has been labelled 'hunting magic' and so for the majority of people, that means they can stop really looking at it with a questioning mind, and accept that that is all there is to it. I feel we could question it further and perhaps reveal more.
There may well be more to it. However, people then needed to eat just as we do today. And big game hunters often had a lot of dependence upon their favored prey being around. I do not see any reason to conclude it was so much different than similar art for peoples who we know today, or historically, so know something about what was going on with such art. Looks like a Shaman and three hunters to me. The Shaman taking the spirit of the animal into himself to invoke its presence. Some people today in North America chant "bring back the buffalo" at meetings, not sure they are so much different than the San were 70,000 years ago when they came from some place unknown in the scientific literature.
Thanks Alan, I agree, you have described it more fully and well. We can ask more questions now, about that shamanic practice and its origins, about its widespread use and the degree of intelligence, or 'psychic' ability incorporated in it, about shared knowledge of it for it to be pretty much global, and then the need to portray it in cave art, the ability to portray it and what happened to those people, etc, etc Yes? 🙂
I imagine meeting such people...
First compare the awesome display of the Siberian shaman with the communal ritual of Bushmen. The former is induced trance, whereas the latter is naturally achieved trance.
Fascinating observation, George
Siberian Shaman same as San Shaman induce trances both naturally and with drugs, same as in all of the Americas. All of them historically had great knowledge of pharmacology. The greatest knowledge ever was in Mexico to South America, though most of this is now lost.
I have trouble finding styles I can link to the rest of the World in SE Asia. They have ancient rock art in SE Asia, but I do not think it is old enough to show shared style. In SW China the oldest rock art is already very "Chinese" but also shows links to the Americas Australia and the San. Each region has their own style, but also shows links to other areas. The rock art culture does not appear to have been very strong in North America except the SW, in Europe except maybe in the South, or in many parts of Africa North of the Sahara or many parts of Asia. I consider the rock art culture is the oldest living human culture, with the possible exception of the pygmies, but is not the oldest culture of anatomically modern humans. The fertility / cannibal / animal husbandry cultures I consider are younger than the rock art culture, and are the "true" out of Africa event geneticists are seeing (and very much an into Africa from Africa event also, but much of Africa Asia and Europe was missed by this event, and it never got so far as Sahal (Australia New Guinea).
Michael Witzel (2011) wrote an excellent article in which he differentiates between 'Laurasia' and 'Gondwana' shamanic tradition. Thomas Dowson (1994) addresses Bushman shamanic traditions. In my book I elaborate their ideas. The phenomenon is very complex. But, in immediate-return societies trance is shared kike knowledge and meat, whereas in other social contexts the shaman monopolizes on the ability and builds on it power and prestige. Did you know that in the '70s approximately half of the !Kung men and one third of the women could enter trance at will and act as shamans? Who needs a 'ritual specialist' when such an abiliry exists?
Entering into a trance can depend also on genetics, environment and culture. It can be an indication of cold or seasonal food shortage adaptation also, to use less calories. The San have a very low calorie diet, and I speculate they came from Australia around 70,000 years ago as "Antarctic eskimos" when the pack ice was unbroken from the South of Australia to Africa. And people in this time were using boats to harvest marine mammals living on the sea ice. Some Native North Americans of the far North and desert areas can become nearly cataronic for long periods. Once I spent five days in a cave eating and drinking little, feeling almost nothing, like estivation. This has been incorrectly diagnosed as a type of schizophrenia at times, a type which is rare, but wide spread and concentrated in populations that live(d) in areas where food was not always abundant or easy to come by. When food is scarce, sometimes it can take more calories to get food than you get from it. Such as chasing flying grass hoppers.
They are having better food than we do. Used to. No connection. Trance is a natural cognitive dimension, no juju.
Thanks for your comments, Alan and George. you have proved my point!
Native peoples from the Americas are very diverse, including in practices of Shamans and religion. Medicine men and women today in the Americas in most cases have had considerable influences from Europe Africa and Asia after 1500 AD. There are very few generalizations that will be accurate. Medicine people even in the same tribe are in many tribes known to range from self centered to almost purely altruistic. Ones that come into contact with persons who are not tribal members are likely to be Westernized con men who have picked up some of the "trade" more than representative of pre Columbian traditions. I have known medicine men who were genuinely spiritual, but were about money and power, including skinning tourists and acting as informants for feds on drug violations against their own tribe. I have known others who had no interest in money or social power of any type, and did not keep or maintain any "secrets" or monopolies. Anyone trying to make any sorts of general principles about Natives of the Americas is on risky ground, as is well known in the professional literature for more than 50 years.
Immediate return versus delayed return is a novel idea, but of course often does not apply to hunter gatherer societies in the Americas, or even industrialized societies in the Americas. Not that it is not useful, just it is not as accurate as presented for the Americas.
All native peoples in the United States were subjected to military conquest at some point in time, except a few bands who fled South across the border (those who fled North were not always conquered, but their chiefs generally were required to pledge loyalty to the queen or king of England). There are many memories going back before conquest in living peoples. Immediate return does not apply in a general sense to some hunter gatherers of North America. Often hunter gatherers have complex relationships with agricultural peoples or the bands / tribes can have persons who farm and others who do not.
A common characteristic of hunter gatherer societies of North America before 1500 AD was to make very long trips on foot (more than 400 miles often), to trade, study, or visit friends and relatives. Such trips typically took from 4 months to 5 years. Hunter gatherers of the Huichol still sometimes undertake such trips, and in the 1990's contact with Native peoples living in remote Central California was reestablished after 400 years (as reported by Quise who made a trip of over 500 miles on foot from Mexico to the area, traveling light). This is delayed reward in hunter gatherer peoples. Long trade trips were also delayed reward (such as along the shell trade trails some of which are still evident, stretching from the Sea of Cortez to Canada). With mobile hunter gatherers, there were many systems of money creation to concentrate wealth so it could more easily be carted, such as elaborate labor intensive bead work.
In Native American areas I have been in, in North and Central America, which have never been conquered martially (most have been converted at least nominally to Christianity), are "industrialized" peoples who practice agriculture, and present much immediate-return type behavior. The differences between the two paradigms often will have more to do with whether people have any monetary or food savings, than what type of culture they represent.
I do not agree there is any sort of trance state seen in any rock art culture or their descendants, which is not also seen widely some place in the Americas before 1500 AD and up until today. The differences as described may hold up some in the literature, but not in practice in the field. And this commonality is supported by the fact that South America was settled from Australia at 28,000 plus years ago. With cultural (and undetected genetic) exchange into Central America and SW North America. These are Shamanic traditions with common origins which are not divided universally by any general principles. Whether ethnobotanical artistic or in core animistic belief systems. Yes there has been diversification, and influences from all Continents except perhaps Antarctica back into ancient times, but they remain unified traditions without any universal definable deviations from the original cultures.
Thanks Alan. Only six immediate-return hunter gatherer societies are acknowledged in the anthropological literature. Some (not all) Bushman, Pygmy and Negrito groups. Their ancestors were delayed-return. I menrion this so that the widespread idea that they represent cultural fossils is dispelled. IR economies and pedomorphic phenotypes are a recent achievement. Both appear in the Holocene, at a stage that twas technologically identical to the European Mesolithic. Eurasian robusts took a cultural leap that lead to technological accumulation and the Neolithic Revilurion. The rapid adaptation to the cultural niche resulted in the loss of certain cognitive abiliries, they became stuck in the causal construcr of their reality. On the other hand, still robust IR HGs underwent a neotenal leap that led to present phwnotypic characteristics, and also reduced hierarchy, aggressiveness, etc. Instead of stressing on technology, culrural development took other directions. And so on....
So when was the Bushman (San) leap to an immediate return economy? They got animal husbandry from Black Africans, with a genetic signatures of this event(s) identified. They were not originally agricultural. Many San today have low calorie diets ( impressions are sometimes presented otherwise, in some areas San or San related people have medium calorie diets, not so much in what is now South Africa now or historically).
Dear Alan, I tgought we were past this biased and unsupported low-diet thing. Sorry, I must concentrate on my work now. We can go on - instead of getting bogged down in presumptions - when you collect more up-to-date evidence.
During March 19 to 21, 2015 Dr. Todd Ovokaitys held The Creation Choir in Uluru, Australia and the fifth matched node/null pair was identified, opened and activated. Uluru is home to the Aṉangu, where they have lived in harmony and as guardians to the sacred Uluru rock for over 40,000 years. Kryon spoke of the Aṉangu lineage and of the purity that the Aṉangu carry within their DNA. Their DNA was described as being one step removed from the Pleiadians making them seers of the Earth in a way that is difficult to describe. The Twelve Nodes on the planet represent all the places where the Pleiadians came to seed humanity with divinity. This was on purpose, with sacred design, so that the benevolence of God was imbued all at once, all over the planet, not with a chosen few. The Aṉangu have remained pure due to their remote location and isolation on the planet. The other Eleven Nodes had populations whose bloodlines were diluted and dispersed through free choice. We are now receiving new tools and spiritual information from the activated pairs.
Another startling piece of information that Kryon revealed was that not all of the matched pairs of nodes and nulls ARE PREDETERMINED! The only two predetermined pairs were Maui, Hawaii with Tibesti Mountains, Chad (Africa) and The Island of the Sun, Lake Titicaca, Bolivia (Peru) with Mt Kailash, Tibet. The pairs are matched in response to Human Consciousness. The matching null for Uluru was one of three potentials. All three were appropriate. A polarized pair is determined by the matching energy of the node and null based upon Human Consciousness at a certain point in time at the moment of the matching. After the final tones of The Creation Choir were sung, Kryon announced that the matching null for Uluru was Mount Logan, Yukon Northern Territories, Canada. The result is that we now have five matched pairs of nodes and nulls (time capsules) which are enhancing the delivery of new tools towards spiritual evolution. Watch for a “new normal” on the planet. Expect love, compassion and integrity to matter more now than ever before! Monika Muranyi. ... See MoreSee Less
You can see how fluid the discipline is. My story starts where this article ends. What happened to these European robusts, how did they slowly gracilize and, by the Gravettian, become anatomically, be...
Readers of my book will know that I have debunked the suggestion that Homo sapiens interbred with Homo neanderthalensis in Europe - the best dates available at my time of writing placed the interbreeding before Homo sapiens reached Europe. Indeed the best evidence suggests European Neanderthals were extinct by the time H. sapiens arrived.
This new date pushed the event so far back that it is now at a time when Homo sapiens are not even supposed to have left Africa - in fact they have supposedly only just begun to gain modern human morphology as some kind of archaic form of Homo sapiens idaltu. There is no evidence to support such a hominin existing anywhere between Africa and East Asia 270,000 years ago.
Quote: "Based on newly discovered DNA in fossils, the researchers conclude that a wave of early Homo sapiens, or close relatives of our species, made their way from Africa to Europe. There, they interbred with Neanderthals. Then the ancient African migrants disappeared."
When a scientist has to conclude that the population and all the evidence simply disappeared, you know you are dealing with a pile of rubbish. Anything that has conveniently disappeared is not admissible as evidence - we must see this for what it is, yet another patch slapped onto the dying Out of Africa Theory.
Of course they didn't simply vanish. All of us who are not convinced by the Out of Africa hypothesis should come up with well founded alternatives. Eventually, from this mosaic, a correct picture will emerge.
all humans are like dogs, they are all mongrels
And domesticated. Not by a master who selects for traits, but because of adapting to culturally sanctified traits. Your comparison is even more to the point when humans are seen as the only domesticates without a master... Like dogs, we wag our tails for fictive masters. Gods, leaders, you name them...
7 years ago it was a taboo to even suggest s.. neanderthalensis / s. sapiens interbreeding. I wonder how many of today's taboos will be common knowledge 7 years from now. That's what I meant by saying how fluid the discipline was.
A detail that everybody seems to ignore: 200 ka ago H. s. sapiens was still a very robust hominin. No wonder that she/he had sex appeal in the eyes of the Neanderthal. And vice versa.
Not really taboo. There have been a few professionals at all times publishing in peer reviewed journals the long obvious fact that neandertals and humans had gene flow both ways well after initial divergence. In America and in Europe. They just were not followed is all, due to racist 19th century European notions about neandertals. And how many people today that know about the existence of neandertals, know their average brain size was larger than ours? These racists notions put all of life, including human, on a ladder with the Englishman occupying the highest point some place below God. As humans, your position in the order was based upon your material technology only. Nothing else, including intelligence religion language or culture. If we give guns to chimps, and take them away from all people, by this scale chimps would then sit at the highest point on the scale (and eventual become the masters of the World as well, same as Europeans once were).
Thanks for your comment. I must agree with every small point.
I believe based upon the morphology and literature, Graecopithecus was in the genus Homo or Australopithecus. This allowing for the revision of the genus Homo to let Homo habilis be Homo (and once the "first" Homo ancestral to us, that no more). I think there was gene flow between early Homo and Lufengpithecus around 4-7 million years ago. Lufengpithecus has been proposed as ancestral to Homo (I do not agree they were fully ancestral to Homo, they were too derived relative to the three known early species of Homo H. floresiensis H. habilis and H. nadeli). Lufengpithecus had a high domed head similar to us, but not to African Homo rectus. They are associated with Oldowan grade tools. They were fully bipedal millions of years before any member of the genus Homo or any ape since the divergence of Homo and Pan (chimps) in Africa or Europe. This is one reason I think Homo has been fully bipedal since the divergence with orangs or more. Graecopithecus is dated at 7.2 million years ago, only 200,000 years older than probably related taxa in Africa. I do agree with the conclusions of recent authors that Graecopithecus is best placed some place after the initial divergence of chimps from humans.
Genetic studies indicate the San diverged from Black Africans about 200,000 years ago. Notions that peoples in South Africa more than 70,000 years ago are ancestral to the San are fanciful in my opinion based upon morphology (leaps of faith based upon genetic study conclusions upon living peoples only). In South Africa on the Coast, 70,000 years ago a new culture came in. Claims people before that time were anatomically modern humans have recently been challenged by professionals, based upon morphology (no genetic evidence is available). This requires placing the geographic origins or black Africans and / or the San outside of Africa (IMO).
In South Africa, 70,000 years ago was a maximum of extent to the North of the Antarctic Ice sheets. It is hard to take penguin from the land side, their strong use as food indicates people there were taking them from the sea side. So South America, Australia and Africa were connected by pack Icea upon which rich marine resoures were present with people in South Africa able to exploit those resources by boat (as the archaeological evidence shows). These same people very well could have been exploiting marine resources along the Ice pack from South Africa to South America 70,000 years ago, it would not be expected any archaeological record of this would exist except on the three continents the Ice was in contact with at that time. Such a people would be expected to generally stay close to shore both on land on and the Ice, and there is no archaeological underwater record that would have picked them up yet.
Extant original Australians have since 70,000 years ago had other genetic / morphologiucal influxes, and Australian sea peoples of 70,000 years ago are mostly covered by water now as every place else. So Australian Sea People or "Antarctic eskimos" of 70,000 years ago might be expected to look more SE Asian than extant Australians, and the San look SE Asian relative to extant Australians. Morphology changes quickly under selective pressures, both to adapt to cold and coming back into heat from cold (for originals of Australia and San the latter). Cold adaptations include small nasal passages, ability to consume a lot of calories mainly animal fat for marine resources, resistance to heart attack, ability to function in small family groups, short limbs, stocky body shape, lowered amount of body hair, relatively high body fat content.
The San and the first South Americans being "Antarctic eskimos" of around 70,000 years ago fits both the genetic and archaeological evidence well. This may have been missed by workers in the far South as they have little understanding of the far North, the only place there are records of Ice Pack skin boat peoples. This also would explain why the San appear to Western eyes most like very distantly genetically related extant Australians and to their own eyes most like SE Asians. ... See MoreSee Less
The Quaternary glaciation, also known as the Pleistocene glaciation or the current ice age, is a series of glacial events separated by interglacial events during the Quaternary period from 2.58 Ma (mi...
There being three separate lineages of humanity in Africa, with pygmy divergence around 50,000 years ago and San divergence around 100,000 years ago does not suggest "Out of Africa" for anatomically modern humans. What this suggests most, with understanding the fossil record is still incomplete / misinterpreted, is Africa as a refugium for anatomically modern humans. See the above quote, that humans have been structured for a long time and may have emerged from a non-homogeneous group.
IF anatomically modern humans all came from South of the Sahara (with three revisions to this already, denisovans neandertals and an unknown group in living human genomes), this is NOT what would be expected. They would have had substantial gene flow between groups back to their origins, and would not have developed separate genomes and cultures enough unlike each other to retain very distinct cultural morphological and genetic for the last 50,000 and 100,000 years. They would have started the same, and stayed nearly the same over time. They would never have become different enough from each other to have such different styles of living and genetics.
What appears most likely to me, based upon the evidence, is this. Black Africans have been centered around the Sahara from their origins around 100,000 years ago. They at times were up into Europe and East into Asia as far as India, and are at their further extent South in Africa today ever. Even today there are a few people in Southern India who appear to be some type of Black African. Not to confuse their phenotype (how they look), with their genotype, the genotype not being an indication so much of how people look, as of who they are mixing with genetically over time. The phenotype can be maintained even as the original genotype is lost to geneticists, especially when there is selective environmental pressure to maintain the phenotype (as is especially the case with pygmies being tropical forest dwellers and well adapted to this morphologically).
The pygmy people, are of SE Asiatic origins. They did not ever go extinct in SE Asia, but 74,000 years ago they were nearly extinct outside of South of the Sahara. They used to be a sea faring and marine resource people in addition to a forest people, but now only survive pressures from other humans in dense forests. If they had went extinct, they would not now be classified as anatomically modern humans. Their range once was from the West Coast of North America, along the East and Southern Coast of Asia, down into Central Africa and up the West Coast of Europe. This range is supported by the fossil and historical record.
The San began to diversify from other original Australians around 80,000 to 100,000 years ago as a Coastal and sea faring people. Their range once was from SW China down into SE Asia, the Coastal areas of Sahal (especially Australia), the Ice packs of Antarctic in colder periods when these Ice Packs were touching Australia South America and South Africa, and migrating into South Africa along the Antarctic Ice Pack about 70,000 years ago and expanding North into Africa but not past the Sahara.
These geographic origins would give each group of people enough geographic isolation from each other to reduce gene flow enough for them to become the genetically and morphologically distinct people geneticists pick up in Africa after their diverse origins. Such origins are supported by the physical non genetic record and study of extant peoples. Genetic studies have no basis in physical appearance, and interpretations of geneticists are based upon problematical interpretations of the physical non genetic record, which have been requiring numerous revisions of late and appear well contradicted by the fossil and archaeological record (and more and more genetic studies contradict out of Africa conclusions as well).
There is no evidence refuting that two of the three major groups classified by geneticists as of "African" origins. An opinion which is requiring more and more revisions and invocations, and ignoring of data, to maintain. Nor is there any magical one way screen between Africa and other places preventing peoples from migrating into Africa after their geographical origins elsewhere. Assuming there is such a magical screen, is likely to lead to errors and support false conclusions based upon the well known fact that the human fossil record is very incomplete as we know it and interpret it.
8 x 0 = 0: Archaeology that Adds up to Nothing By Steven & Evan William Strong "This article evolved out of a question which I first stumbled upon about six months ago that has no sensible answer. When discussing with my wife the intention to begin this comparison of opportunities denied with this mystery unanswered, she went to the machine I despise and asked the same question. The computer’s response only confirmed what I thought, no-one had a logical explanation, no substantial scientific research has been done and due consideration has never been given...........In my genetic case, and that of many Original people who have around one twentieth of their genetic code sourced from ancient Denisovan genes, to be called solely sapien falls short. Then in what adds to the discrepancy, throw into the Original mix a dash of Neanderthal and a liberal dose of an unknown mystery gene and what this adds up to it is not ‘pure-bred’ sapien, but something more like a genetic ‘dog’s breakfast.’..." Read More here: forgottenorigin.com/8-x-0-0-archaeology-that-adds-up-to-nothing... See MoreSee Less
add to the equation that aparently dna can be reduced due to radio wave illness, and has possibly been also added too by aliens(past and present), and possibly black op interference aswell.. woah!
Perhaps a under the sea ancestry 🙂 or now under ice.
Great article guys, this needs to be shared everywhere. Steve, they may have hidden the engraving that we saw at the Adelaide musuem but thanks to mark here is the video again...........https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLOzU0VDChU
Any human genes which were in Africa more than 60,000 years ago are classified as "African original" because of the false belief that there were no humans (ormembers of the genus Homo) outside of Africa 74,000 years ago. This belief has already required three revisions in the face of genetic proof to the contrary, of genes from humans that were never in Africa. It does not matter what the origin of these genes was geographically, if they made it into Africa and into humans more than 60,000 years ago, they are classified automatically as anatomically modern human genes. The fossil and archaeological record is twisted or ignored to fit the model. For a few years the ridiculous notion that no humans or members of the genus Homo survived outside of Africa 74,000 years ago was the mainstream view of professionals of all types. Homo floresiensis was the first major blow to this (ironically I have for years doubted H. floresiensis did not go extinct 74,000 years ago).
This all was silly to begin with. Even completely ignoring or misunderstanding the human fossil record, the fact that Orangs obviously survived in Asia 74,000 years ago demonstrates members of the genus Homo did also. And Orangs have no fossil record at all for about 6 million years ago, so reasoned persons might conclude humans might not have a fossil record at some point for around 1-5 million years as well. It is well understood archaic humans were often arboreal and had similar habits and filled similar niches to orangs. And orangs are like us tool users, including stone tools.
SUM OF THE MISSING CHILDERN WERE PLACE IN VATTS AND BIOLED AT BOWHEMAN GROVE THERE SKIN WERE PILED AS OFFERING TO MOLUCK AND THERE NAMES WERE PLACE IN THE KING JAMES VERSON OF THE BOOK OF THE DIE , IT WAS SHOWN IN THE FILEM BOOK OF ELLI , GOVERMENT WANT THIS BOOK THERE WHERE CLUES IN THIS FILEN AS TO WHERE THIS BOOK COULD BE FOUND
What about having every location where they have occurred discussed with their Traditional Owners to have suitable recognition made on site?
all bristish colion were to decolionist by the year 2000 because of king james wasn't scribe
Intuitive Sound and Tankar set the mood for connecting 4 archaeological sites, 3 of which surround Quenqo Archaeological site. What many do not understand is there are many sites next to the well known ones that receive little attention or notice. We have hiked most of the 34 sq km archaeological park of Sacsaywaman. All pictures are provided by Annie and Bob Newton. USOKS Global Researchers and Founders of the USOKS Global brand of research. There is a camp out there that is making claims of Internal Vitrification at these sites, This is not Vitrification, The shine and smoothness comes from friction from rubbing against or placing hands, clothing etc...... upon these spots. www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3lbipYlnI&t=11s... See MoreSee Less
A Tale of Two Travesties: The Standing Stones are Gone By Steven & Evan William Strong "When it comes to what is an almost criminal negligence inflicted upon two pieces of Australian archaeology, consigned to be ignored, withheld or destroyed, the injustice is far greater than any tragic theme selected by Dickens from supposedly less enlightened times. No-one in high places cares whether the Standing Stones Complex is reassembled nor do they intend to inspect or consider the credentials of hundreds of sacred marked and magical Original rocks that is now part of our collection. Despite our protests, countless approaches and many articles faithful to the highest standards in rigour and science detailing our evidence, not a curious word has been passed by any employed academic nor has official correspondence been sent requesting more information.................It was only three days before we met this academic expert on geology that we first saw the damage and theft through photographs sent via Email. We now had nothing for him to view from either across the paddock or perhaps beside, the rocks were hidden and until we can find out what happened, they were lost again. When we did suggest to meet at a Mullumbimby outdoor café and talk more, no mention was made of the marked rocks, we felt it better that these substitutes should appear unannounced and be free from any bias or expectations..." Read More at:- forgottenorigin.com/a-tale-of-two-travesties-the-standing-stones-are-gone... See MoreSee Less
This just breaks my heart and enrages my blood!! 😡😤 Thank you EvEvan William Strongnd Steve for all you hard work, effort and love to not only bring this sacred information to people like me but to ensure this knowledge is something we all pass onto friends, family and the especially public forums! 🙏🏽❤️ #shared
As usual an excellent report, this time highlighting the endemic kidnapping of historical truth for personal gain by establishment reptiles.. Those awakened with eyes to see, minds to comprehend, and opened heart can only continue for now to publicize, publicize and publicize... Awareness will eventually pay off.
destroying anything that disproves their 'we are one' BS and out of Africa 'theory'
I think it belongs here because of my criticism of the Out of Africa hypothesis. Please check comments below: attached, a link to About | Contents | References.New Book Reviews
“Having read George Steiner’s monograph I can confirm that I find it a most impressive achievement. This volume is on the very cutting edge of research in the field it addresses. Its author is certainly one of the most innovative writers on the subject of cognitive human evolution. Here he proposes a volume dedicated to the role of neoteny in hominin evolution, particularly its cultural dimensions. What is from my perspective the most impressive aspect of the work is the exploration of the role exograms played in this. Exograms, ‘memory traces’ stored outside the brain, are the most significant factor in cognitive evolution, and yet they are arguably the most neglected. So far, only two authors have ever considered them in any detail since the late 1980s, despite their fundamental importance in the question of what makes us human, and how we managed to experience the world in a conscious format. Steiner corrects this imbalance, and for that reason alone his book holds great promise. His encyclopaedic knowledge of the generic subject and his most innovative patterns of reasoning have produced a truly worthwhile addition to the rather limited literature on the topic. An aspect I find particularly important is that Steiner did not approach this discipline from the evolutionary perspective initially, but from the direction of a desire to understand the products of human cognition, through his work with paleoart, specifically rock art. Therefore he is not stuck in a particular epistemological groove, but has cultivated the ability to see the issues in an inter-disciplinary perspective.” - Professor Robert G. Bednarik, Convener and Editor-in-Chief, IFRAO; Australian Rock Art Research Association (AURA), Australia
"I have read the manuscript of the proposed book by George Steiner entitled Neanderthals in Plato’s Cave: A Relativistic Approach to Cultural Evolution, and found it to be an extremely thought provoking piece of work. It is well written, clearly organized and well referenced. The author shows a good grasp of the relevant literature on cultural evolution and prehistory and offers a range of interesting and original ideas on the origin of culture in early humans." - Dr. Liora Kolska Horwitz, Head of Research, Negev Rock Art Center and The National Natural History Collections, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Safra Campus, Jerusalem, Israel
That would be cheap. I float the hypothesis that due to cultural/cognitive specialization, Eurasian Neanderthals gradually domesticated themselves. This led to morphological changes that recall neoteny, but are rather the immediate result of domestication. Goats, dogs, etc. display the same type of maladaptive neoteny. On the other hand, certain hunters-gatherers underwent a genuine neotenal process. However, neoteny has psycho-social implications. The said HGs developed egalitarian societies, whereas Eurasian robusts retained hierarchical structures. Sociability is a natural extension of the former, opposed to docility, which is culturally sanctified sociability - with the latter.
Out of Australia is an exciting hypothesis. There were population movements along the Indian Ocean shore, in Oman and South India there are still markedly 'Australoid' phenotypes around. Some Africans also spread slowly on the same route. But, the Pleiades? Isn't that a bit far-fetched? If there are 'aliens' among us, they must be identified with cultures that despise the earth and hang their hopes on a heavenly Paradise. Aborigine culture does not fit these parameters. Quite the opposite.
Tony William Muir your comments here are wildly inappropriate - I do not think Evan wants this kind of thing happening here.
The hypothesis that Homo sapiens evolved in Australasia prior to migrating across the planet is very well supported by scientific data. I am happy to discuss this if it is of interest, you can also read my short e-book if you have time and interest. I do not make buying my book a prerequisite to a discussion (I have seen so many authors do that!).
Is the Pleiadian involvement in human evolution far fetched? I suppose it is rather far fetched, in both meanings of that term:
"brought from a remote time or place"
"not easily or naturally deduced or introduced"
The oral history concerning Pleidian visits to Earth is both ancient, and not at all limited to Australia. I suggest that you explore the books of Leonard Farra as he has gathered the most complete record of the Pleiades in global myths, legends, and history. I wonder why you would suggest of Pleiades creation stories "they must be identified with cultures that despise the earth and hang their hopes on a heavenly Paradise" as I do not follow as to why that would be the case. Suffice to say that I know of no culture that claims a link to the Pleiades but also hates the Earth. There are few ancient cultures that do not place the Pleiades in some special cetral role in their mythology.
I strongly reccomend Leonard's book series for you, I think you will find great insight there and it may well change your thinking to some degree. www.blurb.com/user/Lenfarra
George, is it correct that your book will be released as a 143 page (plus end matter) hardback costing $200? If so, I assume this is a university textbook rather than something for the general public?
Sadly, either way, this is beyond my budget, but I will gladly read any articles, blogs or papers you release to the public and discuss them here.
And, finally, a link to m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=114655112475264&id=100017923277056 which is an alternate version of my chapter in 'Understanding Human Behavior'. It only approximates the said chapter, therefore it is free of the copyright restrictions that apply to my contribution to the volume. My portraying of Aborigine cultural peculiarities is kind of rudimentary, but this will soon be corrected. I was commissioned to edit a book (starting with it in December) in which my chapter (Dreamspace and Dreamtime) will expand the ideas introduced here. I am looking forward to learning new things in this group. ... See MoreSee Less
Although in the book I only elaborate on two opposite modalities of cultural evolution, namely: the 'cumulative' type, as described in dual inheritance theory, and the 'reductive' cultural orientation that seems to contradict DIT, in the footnotes I do mention the Aborigine 'case,' which I tentatively place between them. I promise the reader an elaborate broaching of the topic in a volume dedicated exclusively to Aboriginal cultural peculiatities. ... See MoreSee Less
Please check on 'Understanding Human Behavior.' In my chapter I touch on Aborigine cultural phenomena. I contrast the cultural 'Weltschau' of the ancient Australians (guardians of Nature) with immediate-return hunter-gatherer (San, Mbuti, Negrito) perceptions of themselves (parts of Nature) and to Eurasian concepts of Mesolithic origins (masters of Nature).
On where the anatomically modern human mind comes from (the brain). By Asiatic I am referring to all places other than Sub Saharan Africa, which the fossil evidence indicates was the most genetically isolated place in this period. Australia I just do not know what role was had in this, as there is no fossil record and features seen in Australia could be original to Australia or could have migrated in from Asia (including those not known to exist any place else). I do not see any evidence that Australia was ever colonized directly from Africa.
For myself, one of the best fossil records we have of the cranium of the first Homo sapiens, is living pygmies. They have such wonderful high domed modern heads and Asiatic temperaments, even if they are generally mostly genetically derived from the people now living around them. Humans are so morphologically diverse since Homo erectus, even before, that it is hard to develop much understanding from just one or a few skulls from just one of a few populations.
In the Americas I do not see any morphological indications of the Americas having a role this far back, nor do I support any notions that extant Native Americans are not closely related to all peoples who preceeded them geographically. How we look, in the minds of all of humanity except a few geneticists at least, tells more about relationships than genes which we may not even be using in any way. Australia has been somewhat genetically isolated, though lately not so much as Sub Saharan Africa. It is to be expected diverse humans in Australia now would be similar genetically, though not morphologically, as is the case. f we accept, which now appears to be the case, that there is no fossil record for forms ancestral to, or closely related to ancestors, of Homo floresiensis.
I am proposing Red Deer Cave Man is a relative of Homo floresiensis whose very modern (high domed cranium) / very archaic (limb structure), "mixed" morphology indicates partial ancestry to Homo sapiens and relationship with Homo floresiensis (not some sort of provincial misfit or hybrid). H. floresiensis to me has the foundational structure for the high domed cranium of Homo sapiens, at the same time showing relationship with Lufengpithecus not seen in any African taxa. However I do consider chimps to be the closest living relatives of Homo, with African taxa more chimp like from a close LCA and horizontal gene flow. To reconcile there considerations, I am invoking hybrids between Asiatic and African taxa at at least two points to explain the fossil record (along with the gene flow from chimps already proposed by geneticists). Geneticists would not be expected to see any of these as I have them all before the LCA of all genomes known in our family tree with the exception of living apes whose LCA's with Homo are before these hybrids so also give no evidence of them for geneticists.
Thus we get our limb and hip morphology from Homo erectus (and not ape size brain Homo H. naledi or H. floresiensis), and our facial and upper cranial structure from Asiatic taxa at the base of Homo sapiens and at some unseen event mixing Asiatic and African forms leading to Homo erectus at some unknown location. The current thinking is that we are derived only from African taxa (the one known cranium of a juvenile H. erectus show brain development in a different order than in living humans, so the brain would fit the flat elongated head), and that our high domed heads are derived quite recently to allow our frontal cortex room to expand rapidly in recent history. The fossil record however no longer supports this notion at all, and even before recent finds the greater similarity of the upper cranium of living humans and Asiatic apes had to be explained by remarkable convergent evolution. In mammals in general, as in primates, the brain and skull do not make such rapid leaps, if it has done so in humans this would be the one exception. So it appears to me our minds (brains) are Asiatic, and developed over millions of years, not less than a million years as proposed from flat headed African ape men who also developed brains as large as ours, but on a different pathway. ... See MoreSee Less
This is a new article I found which appears quite important. They are referencing Denisovan divergence from Neandertal at 640,000 years ago and from extant humans at 800,000 years ago. So what was this LCA at 800,000 years ago? Could they have been pretty close to anatomicaly modern humans? There are a lot of other important points and references in this article. Also it appears to me they are suggesting autism is related to genetic mixing with neandertal (I have to study nore to be sure of this). With autism in Africa at about 1/6 the rate of Europeans. If my interpretation is correct, this would indicate Africans have on the order of 1/3 to 1/2 the neandertal genes of Europeans (but in smaller fragments, and with detrimental sequences more selected out). ... See MoreSee Less
African bushmen. The geneticists do not know where they came from, or what their range once was. They do not have similar studies for SE Asia and Australia. They assume because of genetic diversity they are the oldest branch of humanity.
Out of Africa is hinged upon this finding now, and it appears very weak. How about this instead. Their high diversity of disease immunity factors is a result of their migrating from SE Asia or even Australia and mixing with the people they met along the way? And preserved in Africa around 80,000 to 100,000 years. I see nothing to refute this alternative.
They seem a lot more like originals of Australia to me than they seem like black Africans, and their perception of themselves is of being Vietnamese not African. On their way from Australia they could have lost most of their genes, kept much of their culture and morphology, and picked up the immunities along the way.
They are in fact a very mobile desert dwelling people of unknown origins. To me their most likely origin would be SE Asia from peoples extinct there whose close relatives still exist in Australia. Living SE Asians sharing enough of this ancestry with them to be recognizable to them as their closest living relatives. Pygmy distribution and genetics supports their being a related people with a similar geographical history. ... See MoreSee Less
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So I go hiking in North Queensland a lot and last year I found this cave with strange Pyramid rock at the entrance and a hole going all the way through a 100 mm slab of rock inside the cave. Then today I found a 180mm deep hole in a flat rock on the very top of a small peak at the side of a mountain.
I know nature can produce all that, but in my 25 year bush-walking experience they are very rare, let alone in a cave or right on top of a little peak. I have some questions: Would Aboriginal people making that, inside a cave? Pyramid at the entrance !?? Coincidence, just a rock to mega-fauna out?